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<blockquote data-quote="HernanSCL" data-source="post: 2666558" data-attributes="member: 31027"><p>Muy buenas cuentas...</p><p></p><p>Mirando el estado de las finanzas de la ARA, pienso que el solo comprarlas ya sería algo poco probable aunque deseable, ... y subirse al upgrade francés... sería ya un casi-milagro.</p><p></p><p>En este contexto el pensar en VLS MICA sería casi alucinar, aunque sea factible y hasta necesario en vista que se necesita reemplazar 2 Meko 360 más antiguas y sus capacidades (Aspide 1A).</p><p></p><p>El problema de este tipo de SAM nuevo en VLS es que te sube la cuenta en 60-70 millones de dólares (incluyendo no solo el misil, sino lanzador vertical, su almacenaje, bancos de calibración, herramientas, instrucción técnica), a los 300 que ya valdrían ambas pagando sólo el upgrade. Como bien sacas la cuenta, si sumas MM-40B3C para ellas, tienes 50-60 millones más de dólares más, y te estarías llevando ambas por +410-430 millones, si sumas entrenamiento, simulación, mecánicos y soporte, <strong>me parece que USD 450 millones por ambas Lafayette sería una cifra realista para la Argentina.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Four of the five La Fayette-class frigates moored in Toulon naval base in August 2019. Only 3 frigates will receive the MLU.</em></p><p><span style="font-size: 26px"><strong>French Navy Names 3 La Fayette-Class Frigates Selected For Mid-Life Update</strong></span></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/French-Navy-Names-3-La-Fayette-class-Frigates-Selected-for-Mid-Life-Update.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>The French Navy (Marine Nationale) named the three (out of five) La Fayette-class frigates selected to receive a mid-life update: The three frigates retained for the comprehensive upgrade are: La Fayette, Courbet and Aconit.</strong></span></p><p><a href="https://www.navalnews.com/author/xavier/">Xavier Vavasseur </a> 05 Sep 2019</p><p></p><p><strong>MLU work will focus on on-board computer and electronic systems, modernizing the propulsion control and improving the digitization as well as the connectivity of the various sensor systems</strong>.</p><p></p><p>The French Armament General Directorate (DGA) selected Naval Group (then DCNS) as main contractor for the La Fayette-class MLU program in May 2017. It will be carried out in Toulon starting from 2020. The first updated frigate will be delivered in 2021.</p><p></p><p>One of the highlights of this overhaul will be the addition of a hull sonar, the Kingklip by Thales, giving the three frigates new capabilities in anti-submarine warfare.</p><p></p><p>In terms of weapon systems, <strong>the MLU will add two SADRAL CIWS armed with MBDA Mistral missiles, replacing the ageing CROTALE SAM system by Thales (which was said to be ineffective against sea-skimming anti-ship missiles). The combat management system will be replaced by a version derived from the one used on the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier. The tactical data links will be modernized.</strong></p><p></p><p>This modernization will add life to the vessels and keep them up to date for modern naval warfare well into the 2030s.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/French-Navy-Names-3-La-Fayette-class-Frigates-Selected-for-Mid-Life-Update-2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>French Navy picture</p><p></p><p>Designated as FLF Frégates Légères Furtives (for Light Stealth Frigates) in the French Navy, the La Fayette-class are versatile surface combatants that are often deployed either on their own or as part of a task group.</p><p></p><p>They have a length of 125 meters, a displacement of 3,200 tons and a crew complement of 141 sailors. First ship of the class, <em>La Fayette,</em> was launched in June 1992 and commissioned in March 1996.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>AUTHORS</strong></span></p><p></p><p>Posted by : <a href="https://www.navalnews.com/author/xavier/">Xavier Vavasseur</a></p><p>Xavier is based in Paris, France. He holds a Bachelor’s degree in Management Information Systems and a Master of Business Administration from Florida Institute of Technology (FIT). Xavier has been covering naval defense topics for nearly a decade.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/09/french-navy-names-3-la-fayette-class-frigates-selected-for-mid-life-update/">https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/09/french-navy-names-3-la-fayette-class-frigates-selected-for-mid-life-update/</a></p><p></p><p>+</p><p></p><p>Las dos que liberarán ya tienen nombre:</p><p></p><p><strong>F 711 <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=French_frigate_Surcouf_(F711)&action=edit&redlink=1">Surcouf</a> Botada 3 de julio de 1993 Comisionada 7 de febrero de 1997</strong></p><p><strong>F 714 <a href="https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=French_frigate_Gu%C3%A9pratte_(F714)&action=edit&redlink=1">Guépratte</a> 3 de marzo de 1999 27 de octubre de 2001</strong></p><p></p><p>Yo iría por ellas... son bastante jóvenes y modernizadas quedan interesantes.</p><p></p><p>Saludos</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HernanSCL, post: 2666558, member: 31027"] Muy buenas cuentas... Mirando el estado de las finanzas de la ARA, pienso que el solo comprarlas ya sería algo poco probable aunque deseable, ... y subirse al upgrade francés... sería ya un casi-milagro. En este contexto el pensar en VLS MICA sería casi alucinar, aunque sea factible y hasta necesario en vista que se necesita reemplazar 2 Meko 360 más antiguas y sus capacidades (Aspide 1A). El problema de este tipo de SAM nuevo en VLS es que te sube la cuenta en 60-70 millones de dólares (incluyendo no solo el misil, sino lanzador vertical, su almacenaje, bancos de calibración, herramientas, instrucción técnica), a los 300 que ya valdrían ambas pagando sólo el upgrade. Como bien sacas la cuenta, si sumas MM-40B3C para ellas, tienes 50-60 millones más de dólares más, y te estarías llevando ambas por +410-430 millones, si sumas entrenamiento, simulación, mecánicos y soporte, [B]me parece que USD 450 millones por ambas Lafayette sería una cifra realista para la Argentina.[/B] [I]Four of the five La Fayette-class frigates moored in Toulon naval base in August 2019. Only 3 frigates will receive the MLU.[/I] [SIZE=7][B]French Navy Names 3 La Fayette-Class Frigates Selected For Mid-Life Update[/B][/SIZE] [IMG]https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/French-Navy-Names-3-La-Fayette-class-Frigates-Selected-for-Mid-Life-Update.jpg[/IMG] [SIZE=6][B]The French Navy (Marine Nationale) named the three (out of five) La Fayette-class frigates selected to receive a mid-life update: The three frigates retained for the comprehensive upgrade are: La Fayette, Courbet and Aconit.[/B][/SIZE] [URL='https://www.navalnews.com/author/xavier/']Xavier Vavasseur [/URL] 05 Sep 2019 [B]MLU work will focus on on-board computer and electronic systems, modernizing the propulsion control and improving the digitization as well as the connectivity of the various sensor systems[/B]. The French Armament General Directorate (DGA) selected Naval Group (then DCNS) as main contractor for the La Fayette-class MLU program in May 2017. It will be carried out in Toulon starting from 2020. The first updated frigate will be delivered in 2021. One of the highlights of this overhaul will be the addition of a hull sonar, the Kingklip by Thales, giving the three frigates new capabilities in anti-submarine warfare. In terms of weapon systems, [B]the MLU will add two SADRAL CIWS armed with MBDA Mistral missiles, replacing the ageing CROTALE SAM system by Thales (which was said to be ineffective against sea-skimming anti-ship missiles). The combat management system will be replaced by a version derived from the one used on the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier. The tactical data links will be modernized.[/B] This modernization will add life to the vessels and keep them up to date for modern naval warfare well into the 2030s. [IMG]https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/French-Navy-Names-3-La-Fayette-class-Frigates-Selected-for-Mid-Life-Update-2.jpg[/IMG] French Navy picture Designated as FLF Frégates Légères Furtives (for Light Stealth Frigates) in the French Navy, the La Fayette-class are versatile surface combatants that are often deployed either on their own or as part of a task group. They have a length of 125 meters, a displacement of 3,200 tons and a crew complement of 141 sailors. First ship of the class, [I]La Fayette,[/I] was launched in June 1992 and commissioned in March 1996. [SIZE=5][B]AUTHORS[/B][/SIZE] Posted by : [URL='https://www.navalnews.com/author/xavier/']Xavier Vavasseur[/URL] Xavier is based in Paris, France. He holds a Bachelor’s degree in Management Information Systems and a Master of Business Administration from Florida Institute of Technology (FIT). Xavier has been covering naval defense topics for nearly a decade. [URL]https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/09/french-navy-names-3-la-fayette-class-frigates-selected-for-mid-life-update/[/URL] + Las dos que liberarán ya tienen nombre: [B]F 711 [URL='https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=French_frigate_Surcouf_(F711)&action=edit&redlink=1']Surcouf[/URL] Botada 3 de julio de 1993 Comisionada 7 de febrero de 1997 F 714 [URL='https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=French_frigate_Gu%C3%A9pratte_(F714)&action=edit&redlink=1']Guépratte[/URL] 3 de marzo de 1999 27 de octubre de 2001[/B] Yo iría por ellas... son bastante jóvenes y modernizadas quedan interesantes. Saludos [/QUOTE]
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