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<blockquote data-quote="Bushmaster" data-source="post: 258367" data-attributes="member: 86"><p>Increible, en el caso del Leopard-2 E/HEL, que es del que estábamos hablando nisiquiera se menciona las estimaciones en mm de RHA. Lo más parecideo que muestra es el Leopard 2A6 y nisiquiera muestra ningún valor en mm de RHA, por tanto dudosamente puedes comparar como haces las estimacioens de una y otra página. En fin, dímelo tú dónde están porque yo no las encuentro.</p><p></p><p>Para el que tenga un poco de interés en corrobar lo que escribo, este es el texto traducido al inglés del ruso original:</p><p></p><p>"Basic combat tank "leopard -Рђ6" (Germany)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Colonel a. aganov "foreign military review" в„–' 2002</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At present in the foreign countries the modernization of the existing basic combat tanks is one of the methods of an improvement in the tactical-technical characteristics and their bringing to the level, which corresponds to contemporary requirements. Thus, in THE FRG by a firm "Krauss -Maffe1" is achieved the program of the modernization of basic combat tank "leopard -2". German specialists on the base of the serially produced since 1996 basic combat tank "Leonard -Рђ5" created the last modification, which has a designation "leopard -Рђ6".</p><p></p><p>New basic combat tank "leopard -Рђ6" is intended for equipping the tank subdivisions of national land forces, and also deliveries for the export (Strv 122 for Sweden and "leopard -Рђ6" YEKH for other countries, including with the hot climate).</p><p></p><p>The basic armament of the modernized machine is new 120- mm the smooth-bore tank gun L55 of firm "reynmetall" with the elongated on 1,3 m stem. Into its fire unit enter armor-piercing- subcaliber projectiles (BPS) DM 53, which have the high initial velocity, the respectively improved accuracy of shooting and the increased armor-piercing ability, and also cumulative and HE fragmentation ammunition (only 42).</p><p></p><p>DM 53</p><p></p><p>BPS DM 53</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The vitality of stem is about 700 vystr.Dal'nost' of effective fire: from the place - 3 500 m, on the move - 2 500 m. Armor-piercing ability BPS at a distance 2 000 m at angle of 60В° it composes 350 - 370 mm homogeneous cold-rolled armor steel. The cylic rate of fire of gun 10 - 12 vystr./min. The pipe of stem and the breech of the gun have quick-disconnect fitting in the form of sectorial thread. Shooting of the gun also can be conducted by all previously used by 120- mm tank ammunition. 7.62-mm machine gun is coupled with the gun, and on the hatchway of commander the AA machine gun of the same caliber (general fire unit it composes about 5 000 cartridges ) can be established. Furthermore, on the boards of tower it is placed on eight smoke grenade dischargers.</p><p></p><p>The system of the fire control of firm "atlas of electronics" includes the sight- instruments of the observation of commander and spotter, tank ballistic calculator, equipment for the identification of the purposes of "friend-foe" and stabilizer of basic armament with the electromechanical drive.</p><p></p><p>the Sight- instruments of the observation of commander (Peri-r17a2) and spotter (Emes-18) have a field of sight with the independent stabilization of aiming line. Furthermore, the kombinirovannyy sight of spotter are build it laser range-finder and thermal-vision camera (range to 2 000 m). For the protection of the organs of vision of crew from laser irradiation in the sights are special filters. In spotter is established also the auxiliary hinged day sight Fero-z18. For the driving in the night time the driver has himself night vision device VM -8005. The work sites of crew members are equipped with the displays, to which is derived all necessary information. The television camera is established for the realization of motion by backward motion for the tower of tank. The information entering from it is mapped onto the display of driver.</p><p></p><p>The elements of the tank information-control system (TIUS) of machine are: onboard COMPUTER with the data bus of the standard of yshchshcheV; the new means of connection, which ensure high-quality digital, telephone and fax communications; navigation equipment LLN GX (inertial system, cmbined with the receiver KRNS NAVSTAR). Equipment TIUS makes it possible to transfer and to assume the formalized orders in the graphic or digital forms in the time scale, close to the real, to map onto the electronic plane-table of commander digital maps on a scale 1:25 000, 1:50 000 and 1:250 000 against the background of the automatically evaluated tactical situation.</p><p></p><p>In the machine is established the warning system about the laser irradiation, whose highly sensitive sensors work in the range of wavelengths 7,5-10,5 m the engine compartment equipped with the ventilation system, which contributes to the decrease OF THE IR signature of machine, and the kamuflirovannaya painting in the form of the spots of brown, green and light green color they increase its reticence in the locality. Inside the fuel tanks there is a porous filler, which considerably decreases explosiveness during their damage. In the machine is established the system for protection against mass destruction weapons, and also the high speed fire-fighting equipment.</p><p></p><p>Mobility OBT "leopard -Рђ6" is ensured by the power block, which includes diesel MB of 873 kA -501 and hydromechanical transmission Hswl-354/3. diesel 12- drum, liquid cooling, with the turbine supercharger of firm MTV. transmission Hswl-354/3 of firm "renk" hydromechanical. They enter into its composition: odnoreaktor- complex hydraulic transmission with the blanking friction clutch; the double-flow mechanism of the transfer of turning (water volume axial-piston transfer with the hydraulic retarder) of the differential type, four-stepped planetary gearbox with the stopping brakes of dry friction even two onboard reducers. Cover plates of brakes, made from the carbon-fiber reinforced plastic, which is characterized by high wear resistance. Is provided the installation of set of equipment for duplicating of control of machine from the place of commander, and also remote cable control and radio channel.</p><p></p><p>Export modifications have their special features in comparison with the base model. In particular, Swedish OBT Strv 122 is characterized by the system of the fire control, the presence 80- mm of the multipurpose grenade-throwing installation "galiks" of the French development, established instead of by the regular, and also intensive armor protection of the forehead of housing and tower, in connection with how the combat mass of machine it increased on 3 t.</p><p></p><p>By basic special feature OBT "leopard -Рђ6" YEKH is its equipment new power block with the transverse arrangement of engine. It is more fitted out to the operating conditions in the regions with the hot climate and has optimum characteristics according to the fuel efficiency (specific expenditure of diesel fuel under the conditions of maximum power it composes 215 g/kVt*ch), reliability and maintainabilities.</p><p></p><p>Power block includes the following basic aggregates and the systems: 12- drum, mnogotoplivnyydizel'MT 883 kA -500 of firm MTU with the three-stage kombinirovannoy system of cleaning air; the hydromechanical transmission HSWL of 295 TM of firm "renk" with the auto-magic five-stage gearbox. Engine control and of transmission is accomplished by an electronic system. Because of compactness of power block the volume of motor-but- transmission department is reduced from 7,2 to 4,3 me, and length - on 1 m. The command of the land forces OF THE FRG prior to the end of 2005 plans to place in the troops of approximately 350 tanks of modification "leopard -Рђ6". Sweden intends to modernize 120 tanks to modification Strv 122 (national name of German tank "leopard -Рђ6"), moreover first party of 30 units - in German enterprises, and the rest of 90 combat vehicles - in the Swedish. The Netherlands express the readiness to stock up about 330 machines, Norway and Spain also examine a question about the acquisition of new tank "leopard -Рђ6" YEKH for their ground forces.</p><p>Tank "leopard -Рђ6" - the fundamental tactical-technical characteristics</p><p></p><p>Crew, the man</p><p> </p><p></p><p>4</p><p></p><p>Combat mass, t</p><p> </p><p></p><p>59,9</p><p></p><p>Basic dimensions, m:</p><p></p><p>length with the gun forward</p><p> </p><p></p><p>11,29</p><p></p><p>length on the housing</p><p> </p><p></p><p>7,72</p><p></p><p>width on onboard screens</p><p> </p><p></p><p>3,74</p><p></p><p>height but to the roof of the tower</p><p> </p><p></p><p>2,64</p><p></p><p>height but to the periscope of the commander</p><p> </p><p></p><p>3</p><p></p><p>Clearance, m</p><p> </p><p></p><p>0,5</p><p></p><p>Width of track-link, m</p><p> </p><p></p><p>0,635</p><p></p><p>Fire unit:</p><p></p><p>gun, the shots</p><p> </p><p></p><p>42</p><p></p><p>machine guns, the cartridges</p><p> </p><p></p><p>5 500</p><p></p><p>The maximum speed of motion, km/h:</p><p></p><p>along the highway</p><p> </p><p></p><p>72</p><p></p><p>by the backward motion</p><p> </p><p></p><p>31</p><p></p><p>Power of engine, l. s</p><p> </p><p></p><p>1 500</p><p></p><p>Mass of engine, kg</p><p> </p><p></p><p>2 590</p><p></p><p>Mass of power block, kg</p><p> </p><p></p><p>4 840</p><p></p><p>Preodolevayemye obstacles:</p><p></p><p>ditch by width, m</p><p> </p><p></p><p>3</p><p></p><p>vertical wall by height, m</p><p> </p><p></p><p>1,1</p><p></p><p>lift by slope, deg</p><p> </p><p></p><p>30</p><p></p><p>bank by slope, deg</p><p> </p><p></p><p>15</p><p></p><p>water obstacle (ford) by depth, m:</p><p></p><p>without the preparation</p><p> </p><p></p><p>1</p><p></p><p>after the preparation</p><p> </p><p></p><p>2,35</p><p></p><p>water obstacle by depth (with OPVT *), m</p><p> </p><p></p><p>4</p><p></p><p>Action radius on highway, km</p><p> </p><p></p><p>550</p><p></p><p>Fuel capacity, l</p><p> </p><p></p><p>1 200</p><p></p><p>Housing OBT has additional armoring in the forward section, and tower - armor modules in the forward section and sheets on the roof. Fragmentproof undercutting is established inside the machine. For the protection of undercarriage along both sides of housing are onboard screens. The naves of road wheels are closed with the armored caps."</p><p></p><p>Desde luego tus argumentops caen pore tu propio peso, en la página que posteas los valores en mm de RHA del Abrams son muy similares a la página que te he posteado, por no deicr que ambos son estimaciones y que como mucho hay 50mm de RHA de diferencia entre un cálculo y otro, además en la página que te he psoteado a mayores muestra también el area del mantelete, el glacis y la parte inferior de la barcaza.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No les queda otra, al TOW aún no le ha llegado sustituto debido a que no ha terminado con su vida útil y aún sigue ahciendo su trabajo en el teatro de operaciones actual, pero cuando lo haga será substituído por un dispara y olvida, tenlo por hecho.</p><p></p><p>SALUDOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bushmaster, post: 258367, member: 86"] Increible, en el caso del Leopard-2 E/HEL, que es del que estábamos hablando nisiquiera se menciona las estimaciones en mm de RHA. Lo más parecideo que muestra es el Leopard 2A6 y nisiquiera muestra ningún valor en mm de RHA, por tanto dudosamente puedes comparar como haces las estimacioens de una y otra página. En fin, dímelo tú dónde están porque yo no las encuentro. Para el que tenga un poco de interés en corrobar lo que escribo, este es el texto traducido al inglés del ruso original: "Basic combat tank "leopard -Рђ6" (Germany) Colonel a. aganov "foreign military review" в„–' 2002 At present in the foreign countries the modernization of the existing basic combat tanks is one of the methods of an improvement in the tactical-technical characteristics and their bringing to the level, which corresponds to contemporary requirements. Thus, in THE FRG by a firm "Krauss -Maffe1" is achieved the program of the modernization of basic combat tank "leopard -2". German specialists on the base of the serially produced since 1996 basic combat tank "Leonard -Рђ5" created the last modification, which has a designation "leopard -Рђ6". New basic combat tank "leopard -Рђ6" is intended for equipping the tank subdivisions of national land forces, and also deliveries for the export (Strv 122 for Sweden and "leopard -Рђ6" YEKH for other countries, including with the hot climate). The basic armament of the modernized machine is new 120- mm the smooth-bore tank gun L55 of firm "reynmetall" with the elongated on 1,3 m stem. Into its fire unit enter armor-piercing- subcaliber projectiles (BPS) DM 53, which have the high initial velocity, the respectively improved accuracy of shooting and the increased armor-piercing ability, and also cumulative and HE fragmentation ammunition (only 42). DM 53 BPS DM 53 The vitality of stem is about 700 vystr.Dal'nost' of effective fire: from the place - 3 500 m, on the move - 2 500 m. Armor-piercing ability BPS at a distance 2 000 m at angle of 60В° it composes 350 - 370 mm homogeneous cold-rolled armor steel. The cylic rate of fire of gun 10 - 12 vystr./min. The pipe of stem and the breech of the gun have quick-disconnect fitting in the form of sectorial thread. Shooting of the gun also can be conducted by all previously used by 120- mm tank ammunition. 7.62-mm machine gun is coupled with the gun, and on the hatchway of commander the AA machine gun of the same caliber (general fire unit it composes about 5 000 cartridges ) can be established. Furthermore, on the boards of tower it is placed on eight smoke grenade dischargers. The system of the fire control of firm "atlas of electronics" includes the sight- instruments of the observation of commander and spotter, tank ballistic calculator, equipment for the identification of the purposes of "friend-foe" and stabilizer of basic armament with the electromechanical drive. the Sight- instruments of the observation of commander (Peri-r17a2) and spotter (Emes-18) have a field of sight with the independent stabilization of aiming line. Furthermore, the kombinirovannyy sight of spotter are build it laser range-finder and thermal-vision camera (range to 2 000 m). For the protection of the organs of vision of crew from laser irradiation in the sights are special filters. In spotter is established also the auxiliary hinged day sight Fero-z18. For the driving in the night time the driver has himself night vision device VM -8005. The work sites of crew members are equipped with the displays, to which is derived all necessary information. The television camera is established for the realization of motion by backward motion for the tower of tank. The information entering from it is mapped onto the display of driver. The elements of the tank information-control system (TIUS) of machine are: onboard COMPUTER with the data bus of the standard of yshchshcheV; the new means of connection, which ensure high-quality digital, telephone and fax communications; navigation equipment LLN GX (inertial system, cmbined with the receiver KRNS NAVSTAR). Equipment TIUS makes it possible to transfer and to assume the formalized orders in the graphic or digital forms in the time scale, close to the real, to map onto the electronic plane-table of commander digital maps on a scale 1:25 000, 1:50 000 and 1:250 000 against the background of the automatically evaluated tactical situation. In the machine is established the warning system about the laser irradiation, whose highly sensitive sensors work in the range of wavelengths 7,5-10,5 m the engine compartment equipped with the ventilation system, which contributes to the decrease OF THE IR signature of machine, and the kamuflirovannaya painting in the form of the spots of brown, green and light green color they increase its reticence in the locality. Inside the fuel tanks there is a porous filler, which considerably decreases explosiveness during their damage. In the machine is established the system for protection against mass destruction weapons, and also the high speed fire-fighting equipment. Mobility OBT "leopard -Рђ6" is ensured by the power block, which includes diesel MB of 873 kA -501 and hydromechanical transmission Hswl-354/3. diesel 12- drum, liquid cooling, with the turbine supercharger of firm MTV. transmission Hswl-354/3 of firm "renk" hydromechanical. They enter into its composition: odnoreaktor- complex hydraulic transmission with the blanking friction clutch; the double-flow mechanism of the transfer of turning (water volume axial-piston transfer with the hydraulic retarder) of the differential type, four-stepped planetary gearbox with the stopping brakes of dry friction even two onboard reducers. Cover plates of brakes, made from the carbon-fiber reinforced plastic, which is characterized by high wear resistance. Is provided the installation of set of equipment for duplicating of control of machine from the place of commander, and also remote cable control and radio channel. Export modifications have their special features in comparison with the base model. In particular, Swedish OBT Strv 122 is characterized by the system of the fire control, the presence 80- mm of the multipurpose grenade-throwing installation "galiks" of the French development, established instead of by the regular, and also intensive armor protection of the forehead of housing and tower, in connection with how the combat mass of machine it increased on 3 t. By basic special feature OBT "leopard -Рђ6" YEKH is its equipment new power block with the transverse arrangement of engine. It is more fitted out to the operating conditions in the regions with the hot climate and has optimum characteristics according to the fuel efficiency (specific expenditure of diesel fuel under the conditions of maximum power it composes 215 g/kVt*ch), reliability and maintainabilities. Power block includes the following basic aggregates and the systems: 12- drum, mnogotoplivnyydizel'MT 883 kA -500 of firm MTU with the three-stage kombinirovannoy system of cleaning air; the hydromechanical transmission HSWL of 295 TM of firm "renk" with the auto-magic five-stage gearbox. Engine control and of transmission is accomplished by an electronic system. Because of compactness of power block the volume of motor-but- transmission department is reduced from 7,2 to 4,3 me, and length - on 1 m. The command of the land forces OF THE FRG prior to the end of 2005 plans to place in the troops of approximately 350 tanks of modification "leopard -Рђ6". Sweden intends to modernize 120 tanks to modification Strv 122 (national name of German tank "leopard -Рђ6"), moreover first party of 30 units - in German enterprises, and the rest of 90 combat vehicles - in the Swedish. The Netherlands express the readiness to stock up about 330 machines, Norway and Spain also examine a question about the acquisition of new tank "leopard -Рђ6" YEKH for their ground forces. Tank "leopard -Рђ6" - the fundamental tactical-technical characteristics Crew, the man 4 Combat mass, t 59,9 Basic dimensions, m: length with the gun forward 11,29 length on the housing 7,72 width on onboard screens 3,74 height but to the roof of the tower 2,64 height but to the periscope of the commander 3 Clearance, m 0,5 Width of track-link, m 0,635 Fire unit: gun, the shots 42 machine guns, the cartridges 5 500 The maximum speed of motion, km/h: along the highway 72 by the backward motion 31 Power of engine, l. s 1 500 Mass of engine, kg 2 590 Mass of power block, kg 4 840 Preodolevayemye obstacles: ditch by width, m 3 vertical wall by height, m 1,1 lift by slope, deg 30 bank by slope, deg 15 water obstacle (ford) by depth, m: without the preparation 1 after the preparation 2,35 water obstacle by depth (with OPVT *), m 4 Action radius on highway, km 550 Fuel capacity, l 1 200 Housing OBT has additional armoring in the forward section, and tower - armor modules in the forward section and sheets on the roof. Fragmentproof undercutting is established inside the machine. For the protection of undercarriage along both sides of housing are onboard screens. The naves of road wheels are closed with the armored caps." Desde luego tus argumentops caen pore tu propio peso, en la página que posteas los valores en mm de RHA del Abrams son muy similares a la página que te he posteado, por no deicr que ambos son estimaciones y que como mucho hay 50mm de RHA de diferencia entre un cálculo y otro, además en la página que te he psoteado a mayores muestra también el area del mantelete, el glacis y la parte inferior de la barcaza. No les queda otra, al TOW aún no le ha llegado sustituto debido a que no ha terminado con su vida útil y aún sigue ahciendo su trabajo en el teatro de operaciones actual, pero cuando lo haga será substituído por un dispara y olvida, tenlo por hecho. SALUDOS [/QUOTE]
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