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<blockquote data-quote="Delfin" data-source="post: 834858" data-attributes="member: 2582"><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Vamos por partes...</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">1. Hay una carencia, una capacidad ausente. Estamos de acuerdo. :banghead:</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">2. Sacaron los CSR y no incorporaron nada. Estamos de acuerdo. :banghead:</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">3. ¿Qué hacemos para recuperar la capacidad antitante? Aquí empieza la cosa. Nacho dice: (y con mucha sensatez) "denme ALGO con qué pelear... "Yo digo: Cualquier cosa, no. Se necesitan armas antitanque eficaces, lo mejor que se les pueda dar y que sea EFICAZ para la misión.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">La misión: antitanque / antiblindados</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Los MEDIOS para el combate: </span></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Los SENSORES: nos olvidamos a veces en el calor de la discusión, pero para batir un blanco del eno... primero hay que verlo, hay que detectarlo + clasificarlo + identificarlo. Para esto: SENSORES, en </span><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">vehículos terrestres sobre RUEDAS: ej. el FENNEC</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">vehículos terrestres sobre ORUGAS: ej. el TAM adaptado o los M113 con un mástil con cámaras de TV de alta resolución, cámaras de TV con intensificador de imágenes, cámaras de imágenes térmicas IR, telémetro láser, todo con protección ocular, sistema de navegación por GPS, etc.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Aeronaves especializadas: tipo OV-1D Mohawk </span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">UAVs (aquí tenemos "al" especialista...)</span></li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">obviamente, tras los sensores hay una panoplia de sistemas informáticos y de comunicaciones que procesan y transmiten la información -en tiempo real- para ayuda al Mando</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">las ARMAS terrestres para la Infantería</span><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">para cortas distancias: el <strong>cohete antitanque</strong> (no guiados aunque ya se sepa)</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">para medias y largs distancias: el <strong>misil antitanque</strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">las <strong>municiones guiadas</strong> de Morteros Pesados de 120 mm ej STRIX (ammo de precisión guiada x IR para morteros) o las M385 (idem pero guiadas por láser)</span></li> </ol></li> </ol><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">STRIX </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9S-PcKLYs"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9S-PcKLYs</span></a></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Otra </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7WHWJfYpqo"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7WHWJfYpqo</span></a></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><img src="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5453/strixm120mm.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">No nos olvidemos, por favor, que los tanque se mueven... y hablar de impactos directos con munición no guiada a distancias de 1500 - 2000 m sobre blindados en movimiento es, cuanto menos, algo optimista!</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Otra ammo guiada: M385 Precision Guided Mortar Munition (PGMM) de ATK guiada por láser</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><img src="http://defense-update.com/images/pgmm-atk.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">The weapon will provide the tactical commander with 'surgical' strike capability, to destroy high value / high risk targets. The new bomb retains the dimensions and logistics of standard 120mm bombs. The PGMM projectile flies ballistically to a laser-designated target, maneuvers in flight, and delivers its warhead for maximum effectiveness while minimizing collateral damage. Its modular design allows enhancements to meet future combat soldier requirements in range and lethality. For guidance it uses quadruple laser sensors, located at four slotted windows around. Once a laser spot illuminated the target is detected, miniature charges attached around the bomb's outer skin are activated to adjust the bomb's trajectory to accurately hit the target. ATK also utilized the advanced MOFA fuse to achieve optimal terminal effect when defeating bunkers and built-up targets. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Using such munitions could increase the future effective range from 0.5 up to 15km. PGMM will not use rocket assistance for range enhancement, but utilize aerodynamic surfaces for the mid-course gliding. On the terminal phase, a semi-active laser homing seeker acquires the target and guide the munition to impact. Initial productions of the PGMM will be equipped with semi-active laser seekers, and be capable of a range of 7.5 km. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><O<img src="/foros/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/foros/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Follow-on systems could have optional thermal imager, and extended range capability, as well as more choices for fuzes and warheads. The IR seeker will detect and classify targets, process the information automatically into navigation (GPS), guidance and control subsystems to ensure first-hit-on-target. A self-destruct mechanism eliminates the collateral damage from duds, for advancing troops. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">PGMM Passes PDR</span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">By early January 2006 ATK and the U.S. Army have successfully completed the preliminary design review (PDR) of the Precision Guided Mortar Munition (PGMM). The PDR is one of several milestones in the program launched in late 2004. The next milestone is the critical design review in 2006. According to the schedule, low rate initial production is to begin in 2008, leading to the fielding of the new munition by 2010. The Army is considering an earlier fielding date of 2009 given success in system demonstrations planned for 2006-07. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">PGMM will give U.S. soldiers unmatched precision capability in a standard 120mm mortar. Launched from the currently-fielded 120mm mortar tube, PGMM will fly in excess of seven kilometers and hit its target with one meter accuracy. "PGMM will give the maneuver commander his own multipurpose indirect fire precision strike munition. This highly affordable munition will quickly eliminate high value targets without causing collateral damage," said LTC (P) Andre Kirnes, Product Manager for Mortar Systems."</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Fuente: Ver <a href="http://defense-update.com/products/x/xm395.htm"><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"><span style="color: #810081">http://defense-update.com/products/x/xm395.htm</span></span></a></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Delfin, post: 834858, member: 2582"] [FONT=Century Gothic]Vamos por partes...[/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]1. Hay una carencia, una capacidad ausente. Estamos de acuerdo. :banghead:[/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]2. Sacaron los CSR y no incorporaron nada. Estamos de acuerdo. :banghead:[/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]3. ¿Qué hacemos para recuperar la capacidad antitante? Aquí empieza la cosa. Nacho dice: (y con mucha sensatez) "denme ALGO con qué pelear... "Yo digo: Cualquier cosa, no. Se necesitan armas antitanque eficaces, lo mejor que se les pueda dar y que sea EFICAZ para la misión.[/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]La misión: antitanque / antiblindados[/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]Los MEDIOS para el combate: [/FONT] [LIST=1] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]Los SENSORES: nos olvidamos a veces en el calor de la discusión, pero para batir un blanco del eno... primero hay que verlo, hay que detectarlo + clasificarlo + identificarlo. Para esto: SENSORES, en [/FONT][LIST=1] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]vehículos terrestres sobre RUEDAS: ej. el FENNEC[/FONT] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]vehículos terrestres sobre ORUGAS: ej. el TAM adaptado o los M113 con un mástil con cámaras de TV de alta resolución, cámaras de TV con intensificador de imágenes, cámaras de imágenes térmicas IR, telémetro láser, todo con protección ocular, sistema de navegación por GPS, etc.[/FONT] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]Aeronaves especializadas: tipo OV-1D Mohawk [/FONT] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]UAVs (aquí tenemos "al" especialista...)[/FONT] [/LIST] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]obviamente, tras los sensores hay una panoplia de sistemas informáticos y de comunicaciones que procesan y transmiten la información -en tiempo real- para ayuda al Mando[/FONT] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]las ARMAS terrestres para la Infantería[/FONT][LIST=1] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]para cortas distancias: el [B]cohete antitanque[/B] (no guiados aunque ya se sepa)[/FONT] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]para medias y largs distancias: el [B]misil antitanque[/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Century Gothic]las [B]municiones guiadas[/B] de Morteros Pesados de 120 mm ej STRIX (ammo de precisión guiada x IR para morteros) o las M385 (idem pero guiadas por láser)[/FONT] [/LIST] [/LIST][FONT=Century Gothic]STRIX [/FONT][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9S-PcKLYs"][FONT=Century Gothic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9S-PcKLYs[/FONT][/URL] [FONT=Century Gothic]Otra [/FONT][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7WHWJfYpqo"][FONT=Century Gothic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7WHWJfYpqo[/FONT][/URL] [FONT=Century Gothic][IMG]http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5453/strixm120mm.jpg[/IMG][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic][/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]No nos olvidemos, por favor, que los tanque se mueven... y hablar de impactos directos con munición no guiada a distancias de 1500 - 2000 m sobre blindados en movimiento es, cuanto menos, algo optimista![/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]Otra ammo guiada: M385 Precision Guided Mortar Munition (PGMM) de ATK guiada por láser[/FONT] [FONT=sans-serif][FONT=Century Gothic][IMG]http://defense-update.com/images/pgmm-atk.jpg[/IMG][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=sans-serif][FONT=Century Gothic][FONT=sans-serif][FONT=Century Gothic]The weapon will provide the tactical commander with 'surgical' strike capability, to destroy high value / high risk targets. The new bomb retains the dimensions and logistics of standard 120mm bombs. The PGMM projectile flies ballistically to a laser-designated target, maneuvers in flight, and delivers its warhead for maximum effectiveness while minimizing collateral damage. Its modular design allows enhancements to meet future combat soldier requirements in range and lethality. For guidance it uses quadruple laser sensors, located at four slotted windows around. Once a laser spot illuminated the target is detected, miniature charges attached around the bomb's outer skin are activated to adjust the bomb's trajectory to accurately hit the target. ATK also utilized the advanced MOFA fuse to achieve optimal terminal effect when defeating bunkers and built-up targets. [/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]Using such munitions could increase the future effective range from 0.5 up to 15km. PGMM will not use rocket assistance for range enhancement, but utilize aerodynamic surfaces for the mid-course gliding. On the terminal phase, a semi-active laser homing seeker acquires the target and guide the munition to impact. Initial productions of the PGMM will be equipped with semi-active laser seekers, and be capable of a range of 7.5 km. [/FONT] <O:p></O:p> [FONT=Century Gothic]Follow-on systems could have optional thermal imager, and extended range capability, as well as more choices for fuzes and warheads. The IR seeker will detect and classify targets, process the information automatically into navigation (GPS), guidance and control subsystems to ensure first-hit-on-target. A self-destruct mechanism eliminates the collateral damage from duds, for advancing troops. [/FONT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic]PGMM Passes PDR[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Century Gothic]By early January 2006 ATK and the U.S. Army have successfully completed the preliminary design review (PDR) of the Precision Guided Mortar Munition (PGMM). The PDR is one of several milestones in the program launched in late 2004. The next milestone is the critical design review in 2006. According to the schedule, low rate initial production is to begin in 2008, leading to the fielding of the new munition by 2010. The Army is considering an earlier fielding date of 2009 given success in system demonstrations planned for 2006-07. [/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic]PGMM will give U.S. soldiers unmatched precision capability in a standard 120mm mortar. Launched from the currently-fielded 120mm mortar tube, PGMM will fly in excess of seven kilometers and hit its target with one meter accuracy. "PGMM will give the maneuver commander his own multipurpose indirect fire precision strike munition. This highly affordable munition will quickly eliminate high value targets without causing collateral damage," said LTC (P) Andre Kirnes, Product Manager for Mortar Systems."[/FONT] [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Century Gothic]Fuente: Ver [URL="http://defense-update.com/products/x/xm395.htm"][FONT=Century Gothic][COLOR=#810081]http://defense-update.com/products/x/xm395.htm[/COLOR][/FONT][/URL][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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