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El Ataque al Portaaviones HMS Invencible
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<blockquote data-quote="GazzaLDN" data-source="post: 1185879" data-attributes="member: 14998"><p>1)....As I have said, he is describing an air raid alert. There were several such alerts in addition to the 3 no air launched exocet attacks. What he does not say is that HMS Invincible was hit / sunk / abandoned etc. How anyone can take this as proof of the sinking of HMS Invincible on 30th May is incredible. Maybe its a translation issue.</p><p></p><p>3)....It would be impossible in Good visibility and under normal conditions. In poor visibility, under stress, with sea salt on the cockpit canopy, who knows?</p><p></p><p>4)....I do not know exactly what was reported of the "unsuccessful" attack at the time, It was reported in most reviews / histories of the war. What would you expect to be reported of an "unsuccessful" attack on a Frigate.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">1)</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">....</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Como ya he dicho</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">,</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">que está describiendo</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">una alerta por</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">ataque aéreo</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">.</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Hubo varias</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">alertas de</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">este tipo</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">, además de</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">los 3</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">no hay aire</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">lanzado ataques</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Exocet.</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Lo que</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">no dice es</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">que el HMS</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Invincible</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">fue golpeado</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">/</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">hundido</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">/</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">abandonada</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">, etc</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">¿Cómo</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">cualquier persona puede tomar</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">esto como una prueba</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">del hundimiento del</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">HMS Invincible</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">el</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">30 de mayo,</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">es increíble.</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Tal vez sea</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">un problema de traducción</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">3)</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">....</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Sería imposible</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">con buena visibilidad</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">y en condiciones normales</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">.</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">En</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">la escasa visibilidad</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">, </span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">estrés,</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">con la sal</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">del mar en la</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">carlinga</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">,</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">¿quién sabe?</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">4)</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">....</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">No sé</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">exactamente lo que</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">se informó</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">del</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">"</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">éxito</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">"</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">ataque</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">a la vez</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">,</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">se informó</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">en la</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">mayoría de las revisiones</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">y las historias</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de la guerra.</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">¿Qué espera usted</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">que se</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">informó</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de un</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">"</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">éxito</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">"</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">ataque contra una</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">fragata</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GazzaLDN, post: 1185879, member: 14998"] 1)....As I have said, he is describing an air raid alert. There were several such alerts in addition to the 3 no air launched exocet attacks. What he does not say is that HMS Invincible was hit / sunk / abandoned etc. How anyone can take this as proof of the sinking of HMS Invincible on 30th May is incredible. Maybe its a translation issue. 3)....It would be impossible in Good visibility and under normal conditions. In poor visibility, under stress, with sea salt on the cockpit canopy, who knows? 4)....I do not know exactly what was reported of the "unsuccessful" attack at the time, It was reported in most reviews / histories of the war. What would you expect to be reported of an "unsuccessful" attack on a Frigate. [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]1)[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]....[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Como ya he dicho[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial],[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]que está describiendo[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]una alerta por[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]ataque aéreo[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial].[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Hubo varias[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]alertas de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]este tipo[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial], además de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]los 3[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]no hay aire[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]lanzado ataques[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Exocet.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Lo que[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]no dice es[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]que el HMS[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Invincible[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]fue golpeado[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]/[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]hundido[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]/[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]abandonada[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial], etc[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]¿Cómo[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]cualquier persona puede tomar[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]esto como una prueba[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]del hundimiento del[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]HMS Invincible[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]el[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]30 de mayo,[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]es increíble.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Tal vez sea[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]un problema de traducción[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial].[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]3)[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]....[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Sería imposible[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]con buena visibilidad[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]y en condiciones normales[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial].[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]En[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]la escasa visibilidad[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial], [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]estrés,[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]con la sal[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]del mar en la[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]carlinga[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial],[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]¿quién sabe?[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]4)[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]....[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]No sé[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]exactamente lo que[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]se informó[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]del[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]"[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]éxito[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]"[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]ataque[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]a la vez[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial],[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]se informó[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]en la[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]mayoría de las revisiones[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]y las historias[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de la guerra.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]¿Qué espera usted[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]que se[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]informó[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de un[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]"[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]éxito[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]"[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]ataque contra una[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]fragata[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial].[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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