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Mensaje: <blockquote data-quote="Mario J Blette" data-source="post: 1960668" data-attributes="member: 29865">Es dificil encontrar informes de los sovieticos /Rusos sobre la efectividad de sus misiles en combate, por razones obvias. Lo más cercano es un informe sobre el los encontronazos en el valle de bekka, elaborada por los asesores sovieticos se aconsejaba mejorar el R23.  tabla de memoria..sorryr60 50% distancia aconsejada 2.5/3 KM   30/+ - lanzadosR23 35 % distancia aconsejada 16km       12 /+ - lanzadosLuego todo lo demás son ejercicios, y lo que dan es la importacia de los AWACs creería que en general todo lo que son M.F, sobre prestaciones de los SDA.Un copy y paste de <a href="http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk">http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk</a> que tradujeron del polaco de Armia magazine 2009/ 3-4 "MiG-29 kontra F-16" by Adam Gołąbek, Krzysztof Barcz . Son los ejercicios entre los viejos Mig29A 9.12 +R27E + R60mk Vs F16 Block52 AMRAAM B y C + AIM9x,  cuando se estaban por pasar a los Polacos. 1)scenario :BVR - distance over 50km , 4 MiG-29 (9.12) vs 2 F-16blk 52+results : 2 F-16 and 1 MiG-29 shoot downComment to this engagement by Lt. pilot Mariusz Wiąckowski,not contained in the ff1987's summary :"The air space above the North-East Poland, five thousands meters a.s.l, was the place of the simulated battle. In the first so-called air raid, four MiGs and two F-16 participated. The battle was carried at long distance. American planes had the advantage, since they have long distance rockets. Nevertheless, MiG have shown to be more effective since they "shot down" two F-16s, while they lost only one machine.Our numerical advantage did not matter. According to a scenario, we were patrolling, and the F-16s supposed to attack us, hence they could choose any tactics they wished" - explains Lt. Wiączkowski"2) scenario : BVR , 4 vs 4 , F-16 had E-3C support.results : 4 MiG-29 shoot downAlso in the other two scenarios recapped, from "Fruit Fly" internal Polish Air Force DACT exercise , where 4 MiG-29As was used in the interceptor role aggressor against an opposing intruder group composed by 4 SU-22 escorted by 4 F-16s Block-52 (in the first scenario MiG-29As must attack the escort group of F-16s ,while in the second the "enemy" SU-22 bombers ), remain very evident not only the very low Pk of BVR missiles, but also that ,one more time, all engagements invariably comed to WVR where (with the obvious exception of the last scenario where Fulcrum's mission task become exclusively to destroy Su-22 bombers) even those super outdated export MiG-29s gain easily the upper hand against Block-52 equipped with AIM-9X .1)scenarioRed : 4 F-16 (escort) , 4 Su-22 ( bombers )Blue : 4 MiG-29 (CAP)-some AMRAAM and R-27 shoot were evade ( max range shoot ) by turning away-AMRAAM kill 2 MiG-29 in BVR-R-27 kill 1 F-16 in BVR -R-73 kill 2 F-16 in WVRresults : 2 MiG-29 and 3 F-16 shoot down2)scenarioRed : 4 F-16 (escort) , 4 Su-22 ( bombers )Blue : 4 MiG-29 (CAP)-start at alt 8-9km-distance : F-16 detect MiG-29 from 120km , track at 80 km , only one F-16 used his radar , and thanks to link 16 provide data to the others F-16s.-first shoot were below 80km ( at max range ) - 4 AMRAAM and 2 R-27 , and all missiles failed.-second shoot were below 50km - some r-27 and 2 AMRAAM were fire - and results some kills at 30km - 1 MiG was killed by AMRAAM and 2 Su22 by R-27-second MiG-29 was killed ( but author didn't go into detail) – probably by another AMRAAM shoot.-third Su-22 shoot down-fight end in WVR , 2 vs 2 , results -1 MiG-29 killed by AIM-9X and another because lack of fuel .- so 4 MiGs and 3 Su-22 were shoot down in this scenarioEs mas largo, quizas sea bueno traducirlo. Pero me parece que nos vamos de tema, en todo caso lo vamos a ver si alguno se pone en serio. yo si no veo no compro jeje.saluds M</blockquote>

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