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<blockquote data-quote="HernanSCL" data-source="post: 2428839" data-attributes="member: 31027"><p>Importante dato, no para el reemplazo de las L sino para más adelante.... (reemplazo de las Type-23)</p><p></p><p>Este es un gran contrato...</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 26px"><strong><em>BAE wins multi-billion pound Australian warship contract</em></strong></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>29 June 2018</em></li> </ul><p><em><img src="https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14DA7/production/_102251458_rs78510_gcs_a_0485sml.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>BAE SYSTEMS</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-billion pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £19.6bn ($25.7bn; A$35bn) spending programme.</strong></em></p><p><em>The ships will be based on anti-submarine frigates that BAE is building for the UK's Royal Navy.</em></p><p><em>However, the new warships will be built in Australia by a local workforce.</em></p><p><em>BAE's Australian arm said the construction of the ships locally would make a significant contribution to Australia's economy "creating thousands of jobs, supporting new industries and boosting the national supply chain for decades to come".</em></p><p><em>"We are proud to have been selected as preferred tenderer to provide the Royal Australian Navy with a world-class ship, equipped with the latest technologies and designed specifically to meet its needs," BAE Systems Australia chief executive, Gabby Costigan said.</em></p><p><em>UK Prime Minister Theresa May said the deal was also an "enormous boost" for the UK economy and reflected the government's strategy to "build on our close relationships with allies like Australia" as the UK prepares to leave the EU.</em></p><p><em>It is the first export of a British design for new-build frigates since the 1970s, the UK government said.</em></p><p><em>The ships to be built will be based on BAE Systems' Type 26 frigate, and will be called the "Hunter class".</em></p><p><em>Production in Australia is expected to commence in 2020.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>Australian jobs</strong></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The Hunter class ships will be built in Adelaide, South Australia, by government-owned ASC Shipbuilding and the programme is expected to create at least 5,000 local jobs across about 30 years.</em></p><p><em>"The Hunter class will provide the Australian Defence Force with the highest levels of lethality and deterrence our major surface combatants need in periods of global uncertainty," the Australian government said.</em></p><p><em><strong>The ships will be fitted with long-range anti-missile defence systems.</strong></em></p><p><em>Image captionThe Type 26 currently being built for the Royal Navy forms the basis of the design sold to the Australian government</em></p><p><em>While the overall budget is £19.6bn, only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates.</em></p><p><em>BAE Systems chief executive Charles Woodburn said: "<strong>I am proud that our world class anti-submarine warfare design and our approach to transferring technology and skills to the nations in which we work is expected to contribute to the development of an enduring world-class naval shipbuilding industry in Australia</strong>."</em></p><p><em>Italy's Fincantieri SpA and Spain's Navantia also bid for the contract.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>'Deal of the century'</strong></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>BAE's shipyards on the Clyde in Glasgow are unlikely to see a significant boost to jobs.</em></p><p><em>Gary Cook of the GMB union criticised the deal, saying: "The inconvenient truth is that we're not exporting ships, only manufacturing jobs that should be going to British shipbuilding communities.</em></p><p><em>"And had the UK government and BAE invested in the promised frigate factory at Scotstoun, those frigates could easily be built here.</em></p><p><em>"Instead, there is a rubble pile where that factory should be, while 4,000 jobs and significant prosperity will be enjoyed in Australia and not the UK."</em></p><p><em>Nevertheless, defence analysts said the deal represented a significant success for British naval exports.</em></p><p><em>"It is the deal of the century," said Francis Tusa, editor of industry newsletter Defence Analysis.</em></p><p><em>The UK has had an "abysmal" export record for warship sales for the past five decades, he said. But this represented "a massive sea-change".</em></p><p><em><strong>Canada, which is also planning to order warships later this year, might be influenced by Australia's decision, he added.</strong></em></p><p><em>Selling the design overseas will help spread the costs of design and production of many elements of the frigate, potentially bringing down the cost of the Type 26 to the Royal Navy significantly, according to Mr Tusa.</em></p><p><em>However, it was not only BAE Systems who would benefit from the deal, he said.</em></p><p><em>Small and medium-sized UK companies would be likely to win orders for some of the technology required on the Australian ships.</em></p><p><em>Firms that are already supplying the UK government's order of the Type 26 would be in a strong position to also supply Australian orders.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>Analysis: Douglas Fraser, Scotland business editor</strong></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The design success of the Global Combat Ship, otherwise known as the Type 26, is a breakthrough for BAE Systems. Over several decades, it has struggled to turn the Royal Navy's requirements into a design that other countries want to buy, or are willing to pay for.</em></p><p><em>Orders from other navies used to mean manufacturing at UK yards.</em></p><p><em>But now, other countries want to get the economic benefit of their military spending, so they insist on building themselves.</em></p><p><em>The hull can be the relatively cheap bit of building a complex warship, so there may be benefits to British arms exporters in selling weapons systems that fit into the Australian frigates.</em></p><p><em>However, this looks like a design which was heavily subsidised by the UK taxpayer, being sold overseas, and wholly to the benefit of BAE Systems. It appears that the UK taxpayer sees none of the direct payback or royalties from that investment.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>Innovative design</strong></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Independent defence analyst Paul Beaver said the appeal of the Type 26 design is that it is modular.</em></p><p><em>"We are supplying the technology behind the hull, other nations will put their engines, their weapons systems into it. It's designed in a way that it can cope with that.</em></p><p><em>"You don't have to buy a certain type of missile or gun. You can buy a raft of different ones which will be very attractive."</em></p><p><em>He said he believed the agreement would turn out to be part of a wider deal on defence procurement between the UK and Australia.</em></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44649959">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44649959</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mientras más países prefieran la T-26, más barata debiera quedar hacia el largo plazo....</p><p></p><p>A esperar que resulta del concurso de Canadá.</p><p></p><p>Es la mejor fragata pesada anti-submarina (destructor ASW sin eufemismo) que se pueda comprar en occidente.... y sólo ella (junto a una FREMM) sería un reemplazo en linea con las capacidades logradas con las T-23 modernizadas con TRS-4D, CAMM, CMS-330, Bow Sonar Type2051, TASS Type2087 en 15 años más, recalcando que algunos de dichos elementos de modernización pueden ser heredables/cascadeables para bajar los costes.</p><p></p><p>En cuanto al reemplazo de las L que se viene encima, lo más sencillo es comprar un par de Type-23 no tan matadas para seguir fortaleciendo las capacidades antisubmarinas -<em>que está más presente en el escenario estratégico chileno</em>- y aguantar en materia antiaérea poniendo empeño en una modernización de las 02 Type-M que incluya aspectos a perderse con la baja de las L (<em>principalmente SAM, CAMM-ER o ESSM Block II para mantener la defensa antiaérea de "zona local" 45-50 km, aunque lo ideal para mi es defensa de zona... sin perjuicio de lo anterior, con la situación anterior más una renovación de sensores se estaría bien</em>).</p><p></p><p>Si más usuarios grandes siguen sumándose al T-26, pues... <em>¿por que no pensar en 15 años que el programa de construcción naval que de cuenta de los reemplazos de las Type-M y Type-23 por 2030+ sea precisamente encarnado en unas entonces masificadas y menos costosas Type-26?</em>.</p><p></p><p>Soñar no cuesta nada... antes soñamos con F-16 B50, Leo2 y Scorpene... para el largo plazo, tengo fe.</p><p></p><p>Saludos</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HernanSCL, post: 2428839, member: 31027"] Importante dato, no para el reemplazo de las L sino para más adelante.... (reemplazo de las Type-23) Este es un gran contrato... [SIZE=7][B][I]BAE wins multi-billion pound Australian warship contract[/I][/B][/SIZE] [LIST] [*][I]29 June 2018[/I] [/LIST] [I][IMG]https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14DA7/production/_102251458_rs78510_gcs_a_0485sml.jpg[/IMG] BAE SYSTEMS [B]British defence giant BAE Systems has won a multi-billion pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports. BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £19.6bn ($25.7bn; A$35bn) spending programme.[/B] The ships will be based on anti-submarine frigates that BAE is building for the UK's Royal Navy. However, the new warships will be built in Australia by a local workforce. BAE's Australian arm said the construction of the ships locally would make a significant contribution to Australia's economy "creating thousands of jobs, supporting new industries and boosting the national supply chain for decades to come". "We are proud to have been selected as preferred tenderer to provide the Royal Australian Navy with a world-class ship, equipped with the latest technologies and designed specifically to meet its needs," BAE Systems Australia chief executive, Gabby Costigan said. UK Prime Minister Theresa May said the deal was also an "enormous boost" for the UK economy and reflected the government's strategy to "build on our close relationships with allies like Australia" as the UK prepares to leave the EU. It is the first export of a British design for new-build frigates since the 1970s, the UK government said. The ships to be built will be based on BAE Systems' Type 26 frigate, and will be called the "Hunter class". Production in Australia is expected to commence in 2020. [SIZE=6][B]Australian jobs[/B][/SIZE] The Hunter class ships will be built in Adelaide, South Australia, by government-owned ASC Shipbuilding and the programme is expected to create at least 5,000 local jobs across about 30 years. "The Hunter class will provide the Australian Defence Force with the highest levels of lethality and deterrence our major surface combatants need in periods of global uncertainty," the Australian government said. [B]The ships will be fitted with long-range anti-missile defence systems.[/B] Image captionThe Type 26 currently being built for the Royal Navy forms the basis of the design sold to the Australian government While the overall budget is £19.6bn, only a part of that will come to BAE Systems for the design and build of the frigates. BAE Systems chief executive Charles Woodburn said: "[B]I am proud that our world class anti-submarine warfare design and our approach to transferring technology and skills to the nations in which we work is expected to contribute to the development of an enduring world-class naval shipbuilding industry in Australia[/B]." Italy's Fincantieri SpA and Spain's Navantia also bid for the contract. [SIZE=6][B]'Deal of the century'[/B][/SIZE] BAE's shipyards on the Clyde in Glasgow are unlikely to see a significant boost to jobs. Gary Cook of the GMB union criticised the deal, saying: "The inconvenient truth is that we're not exporting ships, only manufacturing jobs that should be going to British shipbuilding communities. "And had the UK government and BAE invested in the promised frigate factory at Scotstoun, those frigates could easily be built here. "Instead, there is a rubble pile where that factory should be, while 4,000 jobs and significant prosperity will be enjoyed in Australia and not the UK." Nevertheless, defence analysts said the deal represented a significant success for British naval exports. "It is the deal of the century," said Francis Tusa, editor of industry newsletter Defence Analysis. The UK has had an "abysmal" export record for warship sales for the past five decades, he said. But this represented "a massive sea-change". [B]Canada, which is also planning to order warships later this year, might be influenced by Australia's decision, he added.[/B] Selling the design overseas will help spread the costs of design and production of many elements of the frigate, potentially bringing down the cost of the Type 26 to the Royal Navy significantly, according to Mr Tusa. However, it was not only BAE Systems who would benefit from the deal, he said. Small and medium-sized UK companies would be likely to win orders for some of the technology required on the Australian ships. Firms that are already supplying the UK government's order of the Type 26 would be in a strong position to also supply Australian orders. [SIZE=6][B]Analysis: Douglas Fraser, Scotland business editor[/B][/SIZE] The design success of the Global Combat Ship, otherwise known as the Type 26, is a breakthrough for BAE Systems. Over several decades, it has struggled to turn the Royal Navy's requirements into a design that other countries want to buy, or are willing to pay for. Orders from other navies used to mean manufacturing at UK yards. But now, other countries want to get the economic benefit of their military spending, so they insist on building themselves. The hull can be the relatively cheap bit of building a complex warship, so there may be benefits to British arms exporters in selling weapons systems that fit into the Australian frigates. However, this looks like a design which was heavily subsidised by the UK taxpayer, being sold overseas, and wholly to the benefit of BAE Systems. It appears that the UK taxpayer sees none of the direct payback or royalties from that investment. [SIZE=6][B]Innovative design[/B][/SIZE] Independent defence analyst Paul Beaver said the appeal of the Type 26 design is that it is modular. "We are supplying the technology behind the hull, other nations will put their engines, their weapons systems into it. It's designed in a way that it can cope with that. "You don't have to buy a certain type of missile or gun. You can buy a raft of different ones which will be very attractive." He said he believed the agreement would turn out to be part of a wider deal on defence procurement between the UK and Australia.[/I] [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44649959[/URL] Mientras más países prefieran la T-26, más barata debiera quedar hacia el largo plazo.... A esperar que resulta del concurso de Canadá. Es la mejor fragata pesada anti-submarina (destructor ASW sin eufemismo) que se pueda comprar en occidente.... y sólo ella (junto a una FREMM) sería un reemplazo en linea con las capacidades logradas con las T-23 modernizadas con TRS-4D, CAMM, CMS-330, Bow Sonar Type2051, TASS Type2087 en 15 años más, recalcando que algunos de dichos elementos de modernización pueden ser heredables/cascadeables para bajar los costes. En cuanto al reemplazo de las L que se viene encima, lo más sencillo es comprar un par de Type-23 no tan matadas para seguir fortaleciendo las capacidades antisubmarinas -[I]que está más presente en el escenario estratégico chileno[/I]- y aguantar en materia antiaérea poniendo empeño en una modernización de las 02 Type-M que incluya aspectos a perderse con la baja de las L ([I]principalmente SAM, CAMM-ER o ESSM Block II para mantener la defensa antiaérea de "zona local" 45-50 km, aunque lo ideal para mi es defensa de zona... sin perjuicio de lo anterior, con la situación anterior más una renovación de sensores se estaría bien[/I]). Si más usuarios grandes siguen sumándose al T-26, pues... [I]¿por que no pensar en 15 años que el programa de construcción naval que de cuenta de los reemplazos de las Type-M y Type-23 por 2030+ sea precisamente encarnado en unas entonces masificadas y menos costosas Type-26?[/I]. Soñar no cuesta nada... antes soñamos con F-16 B50, Leo2 y Scorpene... para el largo plazo, tengo fe. Saludos [/QUOTE]
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