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<blockquote data-quote="El Tordillo" data-source="post: 640913" data-attributes="member: 3331"><p><strong>Alexander Betts para Testigo Anónimo</strong></p><p></p><p>You are totally inconsistent in your Arguments. You accept that NOBOBY doubted Spain’s right over the Islands and yet you reject the possibility of even considering Argentine sovereignty. If you accept the first the second comes naturally, they the one and same thing. Argentina is the former Spanish south american colonial dominion that controlled and governed the Islands from Buenos Aires. The same seat of government today.</p><p></p><p><strong>Independence.</strong></p><p></p><p>With regards to our Independence, your are also off the mark!!. The Independence movement began on the 25th May 1810, when the Spanish Vice-royal was deposed and a Provisional local Government was chosen. A british frigate witnessed the proceedings from it’s anchorage in the port and it’s Captain even too part in the debates.</p><p></p><p><strong>Territorial Succession.</strong></p><p></p><p>You are deliberately misleading on this issue, in an attempt to prove it’s void in your opinion. Territorial succession is not a war principle, but a 100 per cent LAW principle. Ask any hindu dominated by the British before achieving their Independence in 1947 id India had to change her borders on becoming Independent. Or, consult with any of the former African and Caribbean british dominated territories, decolonized during the 60’s and 70’s, if they lost any territory in the process.</p><p></p><p>Also, you comments on the Viceroyalty being “ split up into several different and independent states…….. Argentina …… took what territory she could at independence” etc., are just hearsay statements to prove your own point and are not based on facts. Its true that the River Plate Viceroyalty later became three different and independent states: Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. Paraguay and Uruguay both declared independence and signed international treaties with Argentina to accomplish their independence. Both retained their original frontier limits that had been applied as provinces of the old viceroyalty. This is absolutely in accordance with the LAW regarding territorial succession. Ever since the Malvinas issue was taken before the UN by Great Britain, each country has consistently supported Argentina’s legitimate claim to sovereign over the Malvinas. Therefore, there are no conflicting interests on this issue.</p><p></p><p>Argentina did not, as you quaintly put it, “take what territory she could”. Argentina simply began administering and governing the exact same territorial extension that had been declared in 1776 as the then new Spanish viceroyalty of the River Plate. Nothing more, nothing less. Malvinas were included and recognized as being fully integral part of that viceroyalty, and even you admit that Spain’s sovereignty over the Islands was never at doubt, or being questioned.</p><p></p><p><strong>Secret document 17111 </strong></p><p></p><p>Your considerations on the findings of this document should be directed to the Foreign Office’s legal advisor that drew it up. Not to us. British legal experts made the assumption , not a group of neighbours sitting on the corner discussing politics.</p><p></p><p><strong>Jewett US citizen and a privateer.</strong></p><p></p><p>Yes, that’s true. But the point here is that, in the Islands, he acted under direct orders and the Seal of the Buenos Aires GOVERNMENT. Cavendish was one of the most famous privateers world - wide. Hawkins was the son of a pirate and slave-runner John Hawkins. Drake died with a knighthood and an admiralty that England bestowed on him in appreciation for all he had sacked and plundered in foreign lands. Lord Chatham actually lived from the proceeds of a fleet of pirates on his payroll. Where do you draw the line?</p><p></p><p><strong>Recognition of Argentina as an Independent State.</strong></p><p></p><p>The UK formerly recognized Argentina’s independence on the 15th December 1823, in a written document signed by Primer Minister George Canning. HMG didn’t make any reservation whatsoever in this document regarding the Islands such as excluding them from the possibility of being recognized as Argentinean territory, for example. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Saludos!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Tordillo, post: 640913, member: 3331"] [B]Alexander Betts para Testigo Anónimo[/B] You are totally inconsistent in your Arguments. You accept that NOBOBY doubted Spain’s right over the Islands and yet you reject the possibility of even considering Argentine sovereignty. If you accept the first the second comes naturally, they the one and same thing. Argentina is the former Spanish south american colonial dominion that controlled and governed the Islands from Buenos Aires. The same seat of government today. [B]Independence.[/B] With regards to our Independence, your are also off the mark!!. The Independence movement began on the 25th May 1810, when the Spanish Vice-royal was deposed and a Provisional local Government was chosen. A british frigate witnessed the proceedings from it’s anchorage in the port and it’s Captain even too part in the debates. [B]Territorial Succession.[/B] You are deliberately misleading on this issue, in an attempt to prove it’s void in your opinion. Territorial succession is not a war principle, but a 100 per cent LAW principle. Ask any hindu dominated by the British before achieving their Independence in 1947 id India had to change her borders on becoming Independent. Or, consult with any of the former African and Caribbean british dominated territories, decolonized during the 60’s and 70’s, if they lost any territory in the process. Also, you comments on the Viceroyalty being “ split up into several different and independent states…….. Argentina …… took what territory she could at independence” etc., are just hearsay statements to prove your own point and are not based on facts. Its true that the River Plate Viceroyalty later became three different and independent states: Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. Paraguay and Uruguay both declared independence and signed international treaties with Argentina to accomplish their independence. Both retained their original frontier limits that had been applied as provinces of the old viceroyalty. This is absolutely in accordance with the LAW regarding territorial succession. Ever since the Malvinas issue was taken before the UN by Great Britain, each country has consistently supported Argentina’s legitimate claim to sovereign over the Malvinas. Therefore, there are no conflicting interests on this issue. Argentina did not, as you quaintly put it, “take what territory she could”. Argentina simply began administering and governing the exact same territorial extension that had been declared in 1776 as the then new Spanish viceroyalty of the River Plate. Nothing more, nothing less. Malvinas were included and recognized as being fully integral part of that viceroyalty, and even you admit that Spain’s sovereignty over the Islands was never at doubt, or being questioned. [B]Secret document 17111 [/B] Your considerations on the findings of this document should be directed to the Foreign Office’s legal advisor that drew it up. Not to us. British legal experts made the assumption , not a group of neighbours sitting on the corner discussing politics. [B]Jewett US citizen and a privateer.[/B] Yes, that’s true. But the point here is that, in the Islands, he acted under direct orders and the Seal of the Buenos Aires GOVERNMENT. Cavendish was one of the most famous privateers world - wide. Hawkins was the son of a pirate and slave-runner John Hawkins. Drake died with a knighthood and an admiralty that England bestowed on him in appreciation for all he had sacked and plundered in foreign lands. Lord Chatham actually lived from the proceeds of a fleet of pirates on his payroll. Where do you draw the line? [B]Recognition of Argentina as an Independent State.[/B] The UK formerly recognized Argentina’s independence on the 15th December 1823, in a written document signed by Primer Minister George Canning. HMG didn’t make any reservation whatsoever in this document regarding the Islands such as excluding them from the possibility of being recognized as Argentinean territory, for example. Saludos! [/QUOTE]
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