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<blockquote data-quote="HernanSCL" data-source="post: 3619661" data-attributes="member: 31027"><p>En estas anda Grecia, simplificando su logística:</p><p></p><h3>Greece considers selling old F-16s for modernization and transfer to Ukraine</h3><p><img src="https://rubryka.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/F-16-840x441.jpeg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>Photo: Lockheed Martin</p><h4><strong>Greece plans to decommission 32 old F-16 Block-30 fighters and is considering selling them to the United States of America for modernization and further transfer to Ukraine.</strong></h4><p>Al Jazeera <a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/16/russian-anger-builds-as-greece-prepares-a-military-deal-with-ukraine">reported</a> this with reference to its own sources.</p><p>According to the media, Greece is currently modernizing all of its aviation.</p><p>In April this year, the Greek publication Newsbreak reported that the country's defense minister, during the announcement of the reform plan "Agenda 2030", said the government plans <strong>to sell 108 decommissioned fighter jets.</strong></p><p></p><p>The Greek media explained,<em> "The cost of this operation can be from 2 to 2.5 billion euros. It is noted that the transfer of <strong>32 F-16C/-D Block 30 to Ukraine is not in doubt."</strong></em></p><p>However, they did not specify who exactly would buy these planes that could get to Ukraine.</p><p>As reported in Newsweek, <strong>32 F-16 fighters in the Block 30 modification</strong> are intended to be decommissioned and transferred to Ukraine.</p><p></p><p>A Greek Air Force engineer said selling 32 F-16 fighter jets could create a significant gap in the country's air force.</p><p>In addition, Newsweek writes that Athens could also transfer its <strong>24 French Mirage 2000-5 aircraft to Ukraine.</strong></p><p></p><p>It is worth mentioning that <strong>Greece has the most significant number of F-16s, with 154 such fighters in its arsenal.</strong></p><p>Besides, Greece is currently upgrading 82 F-16 fighters to the Block-70 modification. Furthermore, Athens intends to buy 24 fourth-generation French Rafale fighter jets. Finally, in January 2021, the US Congress permitted Greece to purchase fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets from the United States.</p><p>Meanwhile,<strong> France has announced its intention to train Ukrainian pilots on Mirage aircraft.</strong> At the beginning of the summer, <a href="https://rubryka.com/2024/06/18/frantsiya-za-dva-roky-pidgotuye-26-ukrayinskyh-vijskovyh-pilotiv-na-f-16-zmi/">President Emmanuel Macron announced a pilot program to train Ukrainian pilots on Mirage jets</a> to hand over its Mirage aircraft to Ukraine by the end of 2024.</p><p></p><p><strong>For reference:</strong></p><p>The Ukrainians intend to utilize F-16 aircraft to neutralize Russian cruise missiles aimed at Ukrainian infrastructure and civilian areas.</p><p>At the end of March, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Dmytro Kuleba, said <a href="https://rubryka.com/2024/03/27/vse-jde-za-planom-kuleba-zayavyv-shho-f-16-mozhut-z-yavytysya-u-nebi-ukrayiny-vzhe-vlitku/">Ukraine should receive Western F-16 fighter jets according to previously established plans and schedules.</a></p><p>On April 17, <a href="https://rubryka.com/2024/04/17/shhe-try-vynyshhuvachi-f-16-prybuly-do-rumuniyi-dlya-navchannya-ukrayinskyh-pilotiv/">three F-16 multi-purpose fighters arrived in Romania</a>, where Ukrainian pilots will be trained.</p><p>It is also worth adding that Ukrainian pilots, who are trained on F-16 fighter jets in Denmark and the United States, <a href="https://rubryka.com/en/2024/04/11/ukrayinski-piloty-na-vynyshhuvachah-f-16-u-daniyi-ta-ssha-vchatsya-zbyvaty-rakety-ta-shahedy-yevlash/">are already practicing the tasks they will face in Ukraine, in particular, striking missiles and UAVs.</a></p><p>It is significant that <a href="https://rubryka.com/2024/05/22/fahivtsi-v-obslugovuvanni-vynyshhuvachiv-f-16/">trained F-16 maintenance specialists have already started returning to Ukraine.</a></p><p><a href="https://rubryka.com/en/2024/05/24/navchannya-na-vynyshhuvachah-f-16/">It was also reported</a> that<em> the first group of Ukrainian pilots had already completed training on F-16 combat aircraft at the military base in Arizona, United States of America.</em></p><p>On September 20, 2023, the mass media reported that Ukraine was negotiating with France to transfer Mirage 2000 attack fighters.</p><p>Before that, information was spread that Ukrainian pilots were allegedly in France, where they were training on Mirage 2000 attack aircraft. Later, <a href="https://rubryka.com/2023/03/23/piloty-z-ukrayiny-ne-navchayutsya-keruvaty-mirage-2000-u-frantsiyi-prote-prohodyat-inshu-pidgotovku-minoborony-krayiny/">the Ministry of Defense of both countries <strong>denied these statements</strong>.</a></p><p>Meanwhile,<strong> Yuriy Ihnat</strong>, the spokesperson for Ukraine's Air Force Command at that time, stated that<strong><em> Ukraine requires modern, versatile aircraft,</em></strong> and therefore,<a href="https://rubryka.com/2023/09/21/litaky-mirage-dlya-ukrayiny-ne-variant-ignat-poyasnyv-chomu-frantsuzki-shturmovyky-ne-zakryyut-povnotsinno-nebo/"> there are better choices than the French Mirage 2000.</a></p><p>Since the beginning of 2024, <a href="https://rubryka.com/2024/02/25/zelenskyj-natyaknuv-na-dodatkovu-vijskovu-pidtrymku-vid-frantsiyi/">there has been renewed talk that Ukraine might receive French Mirage 2000 aircraft</a>.<strong> These aircraft are not supposed to replace the F-16 in any way</strong>, but they can protect the Soviet bombers available in the Ukrainian army.</p><p>The<strong> Mirage 2000</strong> is a French fighter jet created by Dassault Aviation during the 1970s. It served as the primary combat aircraft for the French Air Force from the late 20th to early 21st century.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://rubryka.com/en/2024/07/17/zmi-gretsiya-rozglyadaye-prodazh-staryh-f-16-dlya-podalshoyi-modernizatsiyi-ta-peredachi-yih-ukrayini/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Oportunidad:</p><p></p><p>Del inventario de 40 F-16 C/D Block 50 griegos, 39 figuran activos. (Entregas desde 1997)</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/f-16-photos/album37/album15/080_001.jpg?m=1371903470" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>Biplazas no llevan dorsal spine</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/f-16-photos/album37/album15/050.JPG?m=1371907121" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>C monoplaza.</p><p></p><p>Mismo motor GE que los chilenos.</p><p></p><p>Fuente fotos</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/serials-and-inventory/airforce/HAF/76/[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Los Block 50 quedan fuera del upgrade:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://english.defensearabia.com/greece-strengthens-air-defense-with-upgraded-f-16-fleet/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Con CAPES extendidos a 12.000 horas (EFH) tienen mucho para dar.</p><p></p><p>Desde mi punto de vista, de los 39 F-16 C/D Block 50 en nómina HAF, el poder obtener los que necesitamos (8 para completar G3 de Iquique y 18 para reemplazo del F-5) sería una <strong><u>compra de oportunidad</u></strong>.</p><p></p><p>Saludos</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HernanSCL, post: 3619661, member: 31027"] En estas anda Grecia, simplificando su logística: [HEADING=2]Greece considers selling old F-16s for modernization and transfer to Ukraine[/HEADING] [IMG]https://rubryka.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/F-16-840x441.jpeg[/IMG] Photo: Lockheed Martin [HEADING=3][B]Greece plans to decommission 32 old F-16 Block-30 fighters and is considering selling them to the United States of America for modernization and further transfer to Ukraine.[/B][/HEADING] Al Jazeera [URL='https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/16/russian-anger-builds-as-greece-prepares-a-military-deal-with-ukraine']reported[/URL] this with reference to its own sources. According to the media, Greece is currently modernizing all of its aviation. In April this year, the Greek publication Newsbreak reported that the country's defense minister, during the announcement of the reform plan "Agenda 2030", said the government plans [B]to sell 108 decommissioned fighter jets.[/B] The Greek media explained,[I] "The cost of this operation can be from 2 to 2.5 billion euros. It is noted that the transfer of [B]32 F-16C/-D Block 30 to Ukraine is not in doubt."[/B][/I] However, they did not specify who exactly would buy these planes that could get to Ukraine. As reported in Newsweek, [B]32 F-16 fighters in the Block 30 modification[/B] are intended to be decommissioned and transferred to Ukraine. A Greek Air Force engineer said selling 32 F-16 fighter jets could create a significant gap in the country's air force. In addition, Newsweek writes that Athens could also transfer its [B]24 French Mirage 2000-5 aircraft to Ukraine.[/B] It is worth mentioning that [B]Greece has the most significant number of F-16s, with 154 such fighters in its arsenal.[/B] Besides, Greece is currently upgrading 82 F-16 fighters to the Block-70 modification. Furthermore, Athens intends to buy 24 fourth-generation French Rafale fighter jets. Finally, in January 2021, the US Congress permitted Greece to purchase fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets from the United States. Meanwhile,[B] France has announced its intention to train Ukrainian pilots on Mirage aircraft.[/B] At the beginning of the summer, [URL='https://rubryka.com/2024/06/18/frantsiya-za-dva-roky-pidgotuye-26-ukrayinskyh-vijskovyh-pilotiv-na-f-16-zmi/']President Emmanuel Macron announced a pilot program to train Ukrainian pilots on Mirage jets[/URL] to hand over its Mirage aircraft to Ukraine by the end of 2024. [B]For reference:[/B] The Ukrainians intend to utilize F-16 aircraft to neutralize Russian cruise missiles aimed at Ukrainian infrastructure and civilian areas. At the end of March, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Dmytro Kuleba, said [URL='https://rubryka.com/2024/03/27/vse-jde-za-planom-kuleba-zayavyv-shho-f-16-mozhut-z-yavytysya-u-nebi-ukrayiny-vzhe-vlitku/']Ukraine should receive Western F-16 fighter jets according to previously established plans and schedules.[/URL] On April 17, [URL='https://rubryka.com/2024/04/17/shhe-try-vynyshhuvachi-f-16-prybuly-do-rumuniyi-dlya-navchannya-ukrayinskyh-pilotiv/']three F-16 multi-purpose fighters arrived in Romania[/URL], where Ukrainian pilots will be trained. It is also worth adding that Ukrainian pilots, who are trained on F-16 fighter jets in Denmark and the United States, [URL='https://rubryka.com/en/2024/04/11/ukrayinski-piloty-na-vynyshhuvachah-f-16-u-daniyi-ta-ssha-vchatsya-zbyvaty-rakety-ta-shahedy-yevlash/']are already practicing the tasks they will face in Ukraine, in particular, striking missiles and UAVs.[/URL] It is significant that [URL='https://rubryka.com/2024/05/22/fahivtsi-v-obslugovuvanni-vynyshhuvachiv-f-16/']trained F-16 maintenance specialists have already started returning to Ukraine.[/URL] [URL='https://rubryka.com/en/2024/05/24/navchannya-na-vynyshhuvachah-f-16/']It was also reported[/URL] that[I] the first group of Ukrainian pilots had already completed training on F-16 combat aircraft at the military base in Arizona, United States of America.[/I] On September 20, 2023, the mass media reported that Ukraine was negotiating with France to transfer Mirage 2000 attack fighters. Before that, information was spread that Ukrainian pilots were allegedly in France, where they were training on Mirage 2000 attack aircraft. Later, [URL='https://rubryka.com/2023/03/23/piloty-z-ukrayiny-ne-navchayutsya-keruvaty-mirage-2000-u-frantsiyi-prote-prohodyat-inshu-pidgotovku-minoborony-krayiny/']the Ministry of Defense of both countries [B]denied these statements[/B].[/URL] Meanwhile,[B] Yuriy Ihnat[/B], the spokesperson for Ukraine's Air Force Command at that time, stated that[B][I] Ukraine requires modern, versatile aircraft,[/I][/B] and therefore,[URL='https://rubryka.com/2023/09/21/litaky-mirage-dlya-ukrayiny-ne-variant-ignat-poyasnyv-chomu-frantsuzki-shturmovyky-ne-zakryyut-povnotsinno-nebo/'] there are better choices than the French Mirage 2000.[/URL] Since the beginning of 2024, [URL='https://rubryka.com/2024/02/25/zelenskyj-natyaknuv-na-dodatkovu-vijskovu-pidtrymku-vid-frantsiyi/']there has been renewed talk that Ukraine might receive French Mirage 2000 aircraft[/URL].[B] These aircraft are not supposed to replace the F-16 in any way[/B], but they can protect the Soviet bombers available in the Ukrainian army. The[B] Mirage 2000[/B] is a French fighter jet created by Dassault Aviation during the 1970s. It served as the primary combat aircraft for the French Air Force from the late 20th to early 21st century. [URL unfurl="true"]https://rubryka.com/en/2024/07/17/zmi-gretsiya-rozglyadaye-prodazh-staryh-f-16-dlya-podalshoyi-modernizatsiyi-ta-peredachi-yih-ukrayini/[/URL] Oportunidad: Del inventario de 40 F-16 C/D Block 50 griegos, 39 figuran activos. (Entregas desde 1997) [IMG]https://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/f-16-photos/album37/album15/080_001.jpg?m=1371903470[/IMG] Biplazas no llevan dorsal spine [IMG]https://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/f-16-photos/album37/album15/050.JPG?m=1371907121[/IMG] C monoplaza. Mismo motor GE que los chilenos. Fuente fotos [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/serials-and-inventory/airforce/HAF/76/[/URL] Los Block 50 quedan fuera del upgrade: [URL unfurl="true"]https://english.defensearabia.com/greece-strengthens-air-defense-with-upgraded-f-16-fleet/[/URL] Con CAPES extendidos a 12.000 horas (EFH) tienen mucho para dar. Desde mi punto de vista, de los 39 F-16 C/D Block 50 en nómina HAF, el poder obtener los que necesitamos (8 para completar G3 de Iquique y 18 para reemplazo del F-5) sería una [B][U]compra de oportunidad[/U][/B]. Saludos [/QUOTE]
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