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<blockquote data-quote="Derruido" data-source="post: 63568" data-attributes="member: 30">You're right ... if the Viper gets slow with the Scooter, they'll have quite a scrap ... I had the pleasure of flying each for a number of years&nbsp; First, yes we have to say fighting with heaters &amp; guns only. Otherwise, the A-4 never gets to the fight!&nbsp; When the F-16 stays in it's corner range (band if you will) of airspeed, it will always kick the Scooter's rear very quickly (assuming tally is maintained, which is definately not a given vs the little A-4). So the Scooter needs to draw the F-16 into a slow scissors ... and there he will definately have a chance ... Scooter's leading edge aerodynamic slats will be out ... and if he throws some of his flaps down too, he can get slower than, &amp; he can use his rudder to out lead turn the Viper ... &quot;Hal&quot; will only let the Viper get to a certain AOA, then no slower, so the Viper will have problems here ... what the Viper can do though, is extend just a little bit (might be tough to do without getting shot!) to 250 or so KIAS &amp; take it straight over the top ... the Scooter will not be able to stay with him there and will become defensive. btw ... all this would also be basically true in F-16 vs Mig 21.&nbsp; The real picture is ... of course that Viper guys are not dumb enough to get slow with the rif-raff of the fighter world ... and most every F-16 vs A-4 encounter will come out just as Gums illustrates above (why do you think he said &quot;heh, heh, heh&quot;) ... only time of loss surrounds a no tally, or no clue (ie total surprize) situation. Fun to think about though, isn't it? Cheers!Del sitio F16.net Viper vs Scooter A4<a href="http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-1105.html">http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-1105.html</a>Si ingresan encontraran a un conocido participante de éste foro posteando allí.SaludosDerruido</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Derruido, post: 63568, member: 30"] You're right ... if the Viper gets slow with the Scooter, they'll have quite a scrap ... I had the pleasure of flying each for a number of years First, yes we have to say fighting with heaters & guns only. Otherwise, the A-4 never gets to the fight! When the F-16 stays in it's corner range (band if you will) of airspeed, it will always kick the Scooter's rear very quickly (assuming tally is maintained, which is definately not a given vs the little A-4). So the Scooter needs to draw the F-16 into a slow scissors ... and there he will definately have a chance ... Scooter's leading edge aerodynamic slats will be out ... and if he throws some of his flaps down too, he can get slower than, & he can use his rudder to out lead turn the Viper ... "Hal" will only let the Viper get to a certain AOA, then no slower, so the Viper will have problems here ... what the Viper can do though, is extend just a little bit (might be tough to do without getting shot!) to 250 or so KIAS & take it straight over the top ... the Scooter will not be able to stay with him there and will become defensive. btw ... all this would also be basically true in F-16 vs Mig 21. The real picture is ... of course that Viper guys are not dumb enough to get slow with the rif-raff of the fighter world ... and most every F-16 vs A-4 encounter will come out just as Gums illustrates above (why do you think he said "heh, heh, heh") ... only time of loss surrounds a no tally, or no clue (ie total surprize) situation. Fun to think about though, isn't it? Cheers! Del sitio F16.net Viper vs Scooter A4 [url]http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-1105.html[/url] Si ingresan encontraran a un conocido participante de éste foro posteando allí. Saludos Derruido [/QUOTE]

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