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<blockquote data-quote="Delfin" data-source="post: 762064" data-attributes="member: 2582"><p>En otro post les cuento bien de qué se trata la famosa Tabla de Marshall y Shanow, pero por ahora les copio una pequeña parte. </p><p></p><p>Aclaro: como este Foro no admite TABLAS, tuve que copiar y pegar en PAINT :banghead: y subir la imagen a ImageShack :yonofui:</p><p></p><p>Si se toman el trabajo de copiar y pegar (en Word por ej) y la imprimen podrán leerla mejor.</p><p></p><p>Si se supone que un valor de 80% de éxitos (en combates reales) como el mínimo que se puede aceptar por razones de seguridad... verán que:</p><p></p><p>a) el .38 Special disparado desde un revólver de 2" (dos pulgadas) ni llega al 60%. Esto significa que sólo 6 de cada 10 casos el tirador podrá abatir al agresor :banghead:</p><p></p><p>b) el .38 Special desde un revólver de 4" mejora a un 73% de los casos.</p><p></p><p>c) en cambio... el -357 magnum logra un promedio del 82% y hay varias marcas y tipos de ammo que se acercan al 100% de efectividad (Remington JHP de 125 grains y Federal JHP idem de 125 grains)</p><p></p><p>En la medida de nuestras posibilidades, iremos subiendo esta tabla comparando calibres y también iremos analizando la efectividad de las municiones.</p><p></p><p>Insistimos: la defensa personal es un asunto complejo. El ARMA, la MUNICIÓN, la INSTRUCCIÓN con un ITA especializado, el ENTRENAMIENTO inteligente y frecuente, etc. </p><p></p><p>Abrazo!</p><p></p><p><em>PS: Si alguien no ve bien la tabla y le interesa... me manda un mail a </em><a href="mailto:tirodefensivo@hotmail.com"><em>tirodefensivo@hotmail.com</em></a><em> y se la envío como adjunto</em></p><p></p><p><img src="http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/57/mysb.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><strong>Information Sources</strong>: </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">All figures listed under the Marshall & Sanow's Latest Ratings are sourced from the references listed below. Because the database of actual shootings, and the number of new ammunition & bullets being released is continually increasing, a situation occurs where different sources list conflicting figures for the same calibre/load combination. When this occurs, I have used the figures from the most recently dated publication. Many thanks to the following publications, people, and organisations for the actual figures, and much of the information about handgun stopping power provided by this site:</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">FBI Wound Ballistic Evaluation</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Federal Cartridges (Product info and brochures)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Guns & Ammo Magazine (September 1992)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Guns & Ammo Magazine (October 1992)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Guns & Ammo 1994 Annual for the Strasbourg Test Information</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Handguns Magazine (February 1995)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Handguns Magazine (December 1995)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Hornady 1995 Catalog (Pictures)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Handgun Stopping Power (Marshalll & Sanow) for most of the figures and background information</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Larry Ellision for pointing out errors, for constructive criticism, and useful suggestions.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Magsafe Ammo Company (Product info and brochures)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Marshalll & Sanow for all their fantastic work, and regular updates</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Rick Dixon (D&D Omega Star Bullets) for figures, photo's, bullets and other interesting information</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Street Stoppers (also by Marshall & Sanow)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Criteria for Determining a Bullets Stopping Power</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">[Marshall and Sanow, pages 43-45]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><strong>The bullet must strike the torso</strong> (excluding the head and neck) of a person. It seems obvious that a bullet that strikes a hand, leg, arm or foot, will almost certainly never bring about instantaneous incapacitation. Secondly, a successful one-shot stop occurring in the neck or head owes its success to shot placement, rather than calibre or bullet design.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><strong>Multiple hits have to be discarded</strong>. We are interested in the effect of a single bullet. Again it is obvious that multiple shots will be more effective, however it is impossible to determine some measure of bullet performance based on multiple shots.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Figures are provided (by Marshall & Sanow) only when a minimum of five instances of shooting with a particular load/calibre combination have occurred. In addition, some of the following information must have been available: police reports, evidence technician reports, homicide reports, autopsy results, and photos (among other things). In addition, the actual recovered bullets or photographs of the bullets must have been available for examination.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Marshall & Sanow have developed a method of estimating a bullets performance based on correlating the results of the performance of new bullets fired into 10% ballistic gelatine with the results of bullets with known performance on the street, also fired into 10% ballistic gelatine. (Read the book - you'll find out that their method of estimating is the most thorough and likely to represent reality as you could possible get). All figures that are estimated are marked with a "*". Reality shows that frequently the estimated figure turns out to be a little below the actual figure when it becomes available.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><strong>Validity of the Bullet Effectiveness Estimation Theory</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">[Marshall and Sanow, pages 187-196]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'">Marshall and Sanow make use of four areas of a bullets performance in 10% ballistic gelatine to predict a bullets effectiveness. In each case the bullets known performance on the street is compared to the performance in the ballistic gelatine. The results allow a new bullets street effectiveness to be estimated based on its performance in ballistic gelatine. The correlation coefficients for each area of bullet performance in ballistic gelatine with actual street results are:</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><strong>Penetration</strong>. The correlation coefficient for penetration is -0.37. Recovered bullet diameter. The correlation coefficient is 0.82 for bullets under 1300 fps, and 0.68 for bullets over 1300 fps. Permanent crush cavity volume. The correlation coefficient is 0.87 for bullets under 1300 fps, and 0.60 for bullets over 1300 fps. Temporary crush cavity volume. The correlation coefficient is 0.80. Of course, the closer each correlation coefficient is to 1.0, the more accurate the prediction. In practise, Marshall and Sanow's method has shown itself to be very accurate, and has become the standard by which many bullet manufacturers and knowledgeable publications compare and estimate new bullets performance. - All rights reseved by Marshall and Sanow</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Delfin, post: 762064, member: 2582"] En otro post les cuento bien de qué se trata la famosa Tabla de Marshall y Shanow, pero por ahora les copio una pequeña parte. Aclaro: como este Foro no admite TABLAS, tuve que copiar y pegar en PAINT :banghead: y subir la imagen a ImageShack :yonofui: Si se toman el trabajo de copiar y pegar (en Word por ej) y la imprimen podrán leerla mejor. Si se supone que un valor de 80% de éxitos (en combates reales) como el mínimo que se puede aceptar por razones de seguridad... verán que: a) el .38 Special disparado desde un revólver de 2" (dos pulgadas) ni llega al 60%. Esto significa que sólo 6 de cada 10 casos el tirador podrá abatir al agresor :banghead: b) el .38 Special desde un revólver de 4" mejora a un 73% de los casos. c) en cambio... el -357 magnum logra un promedio del 82% y hay varias marcas y tipos de ammo que se acercan al 100% de efectividad (Remington JHP de 125 grains y Federal JHP idem de 125 grains) En la medida de nuestras posibilidades, iremos subiendo esta tabla comparando calibres y también iremos analizando la efectividad de las municiones. Insistimos: la defensa personal es un asunto complejo. El ARMA, la MUNICIÓN, la INSTRUCCIÓN con un ITA especializado, el ENTRENAMIENTO inteligente y frecuente, etc. Abrazo! [I]PS: Si alguien no ve bien la tabla y le interesa... me manda un mail a [/I][EMAIL="tirodefensivo@hotmail.com"][I]tirodefensivo@hotmail.com[/I][/EMAIL][I] y se la envío como adjunto[/I] [IMG]http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/57/mysb.jpg[/IMG] [FONT=Arial Narrow][B]Information Sources[/B]: [/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]All figures listed under the Marshall & Sanow's Latest Ratings are sourced from the references listed below. Because the database of actual shootings, and the number of new ammunition & bullets being released is continually increasing, a situation occurs where different sources list conflicting figures for the same calibre/load combination. When this occurs, I have used the figures from the most recently dated publication. Many thanks to the following publications, people, and organisations for the actual figures, and much of the information about handgun stopping power provided by this site:[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]FBI Wound Ballistic Evaluation[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Federal Cartridges (Product info and brochures)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Guns & Ammo Magazine (September 1992)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Guns & Ammo Magazine (October 1992)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Guns & Ammo 1994 Annual for the Strasbourg Test Information[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Handguns Magazine (February 1995)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Handguns Magazine (December 1995)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Hornady 1995 Catalog (Pictures)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Handgun Stopping Power (Marshalll & Sanow) for most of the figures and background information[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Larry Ellision for pointing out errors, for constructive criticism, and useful suggestions.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Magsafe Ammo Company (Product info and brochures)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Marshalll & Sanow for all their fantastic work, and regular updates[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Rick Dixon (D&D Omega Star Bullets) for figures, photo's, bullets and other interesting information[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Street Stoppers (also by Marshall & Sanow)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Criteria for Determining a Bullets Stopping Power[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][Marshall and Sanow, pages 43-45][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][B]The bullet must strike the torso[/B] (excluding the head and neck) of a person. It seems obvious that a bullet that strikes a hand, leg, arm or foot, will almost certainly never bring about instantaneous incapacitation. Secondly, a successful one-shot stop occurring in the neck or head owes its success to shot placement, rather than calibre or bullet design.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][B]Multiple hits have to be discarded[/B]. We are interested in the effect of a single bullet. Again it is obvious that multiple shots will be more effective, however it is impossible to determine some measure of bullet performance based on multiple shots.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Figures are provided (by Marshall & Sanow) only when a minimum of five instances of shooting with a particular load/calibre combination have occurred. In addition, some of the following information must have been available: police reports, evidence technician reports, homicide reports, autopsy results, and photos (among other things). In addition, the actual recovered bullets or photographs of the bullets must have been available for examination.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Marshall & Sanow have developed a method of estimating a bullets performance based on correlating the results of the performance of new bullets fired into 10% ballistic gelatine with the results of bullets with known performance on the street, also fired into 10% ballistic gelatine. (Read the book - you'll find out that their method of estimating is the most thorough and likely to represent reality as you could possible get). All figures that are estimated are marked with a "*". Reality shows that frequently the estimated figure turns out to be a little below the actual figure when it becomes available.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][B]Validity of the Bullet Effectiveness Estimation Theory[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][Marshall and Sanow, pages 187-196][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow]Marshall and Sanow make use of four areas of a bullets performance in 10% ballistic gelatine to predict a bullets effectiveness. In each case the bullets known performance on the street is compared to the performance in the ballistic gelatine. The results allow a new bullets street effectiveness to be estimated based on its performance in ballistic gelatine. The correlation coefficients for each area of bullet performance in ballistic gelatine with actual street results are:[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][B]Penetration[/B]. The correlation coefficient for penetration is -0.37. Recovered bullet diameter. The correlation coefficient is 0.82 for bullets under 1300 fps, and 0.68 for bullets over 1300 fps. Permanent crush cavity volume. The correlation coefficient is 0.87 for bullets under 1300 fps, and 0.60 for bullets over 1300 fps. Temporary crush cavity volume. The correlation coefficient is 0.80. Of course, the closer each correlation coefficient is to 1.0, the more accurate the prediction. In practise, Marshall and Sanow's method has shown itself to be very accurate, and has become the standard by which many bullet manufacturers and knowledgeable publications compare and estimate new bullets performance. - All rights reseved by Marshall and Sanow[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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