Los chinos los copiaron y los quieren vender como f-11 a precio de ganga (que con tremendas plataformas y electronica israeli serian tremendos). Pero prefiero un SU-30/35 para que los ruskis no nos tiren la bronca.
Club del Flanker
- Tema iniciado Guitro01
- Fecha de inicio
lo pusieron al Tornado,ahora ponen el Tifon....si a Brasil llega cierta Rafaga puede que liguemos algo tambien nosotros
una pregunta sobre el Flanker chino...al ser de construccion china bajo licensia,tiene todas las caracteristicas del Flanker ruso original,o es inferior a este en algun/os aspectos?(maniobravilidad,alcance de radar,velocidad,armamento,etc)
no es solo una copia sino que muchas partes del j-11 son importadas de rusia y los rusos le prohibieron su exportacion a los chinos , lo mismo pasa con los su-30mk2 indues
Te hago una correccion con respecto a los motores del F-11 (J-11). Los chinos hicieron una version chinuzka del Al-31 llamada WS-10. Y dicen por alli que tira 13.600 kg de empuje. Y que cuestan la mitad que un AL-31.
Este es el prototipo del Flanker Chinuziano
Otra mas del chinuzko
Y una de un SU-30 MKM
Y una de un SU-30 MKM
Y aqui encontre una foto del AL-31F Chinekiano
El desclasificado Sukhoi T-12
Sukhoi T-12 Bomber Project
Secret Soviet bomber revealed....
Having engineered the cancellation of the Mach 3 capable Sukhoi T-4 ‘Sotka’ in 1967, Andrei Tupolev's OKB presented the Tu-22M as the only contender for the strategic supersonic bomber role.
As a ruse to get MAP funding for this project the OKB disguised it as an upgraded Tu-22 Blinder, but in fact it was a completely new design, known in-house as ‘Izdeliya 45-01’ or ‘Samolyet 145’
With their own development of the T-4 (the T-4M) also cancelled, the design bureau named after Pavel Sukhoi was looking for orders for its products to keep it in the bomber business.
The T-10 Flanker fighter was already in the design phase, so the design team – led by Mikhail Simonov – took a leaf out of Marcel Dassault’s book and simply scaled up the T-10 Flanker layout by a factor of 150%.
As the Dassault Mirage IV bomber was a bigger version of the Mirage III fighter, the resulting Sukhoi T-12 retained the basic Flanker shape, but incorporated a four-place cockpit and was powered four of the then new AL-31F engines supplied by the Lyulka engine OKB.
Capable of Mach 2.2 at altitude and with an unrefueled range of 7,000km, the T-12 was able to carry two Kh-22 (AS-4 Kitchen) missiles on underwing pylons plus another semi-recessed in the central weapons bay between the engine nacelles.
Rolled out of the Sukhoi flight-test facility at Zhukovsky on 12 January 1970, the T-12 underwent systems and engine tests during the spring of that year.
Although slated for mid-March, the first flight actually took place on 1st April 1970 at the hands of Sukhoi Test Pilot Vladimir Ilyushin, twice Hero of the Soviet Union.
Accompanying him on that first 1.5 hour sortie was flight engineer Pavel Krotkov, and lead navigator Sergei Popov. The rear WSO's seat was unoccupied on that first flight.
Following the highly successful first flight, the T-12 made ten more test flights from Zhukovsky and went supersonic on the eighth – on 23 June 1970.
The design max speed of Mach 2.2 was achieved on the ninth flight – 1 July 1970, following which, at the instigation of Andrei Tupolev, the whole programme was cancelled on the orders of Leonid Brezhnev.
With their hands full getting the T-10 Flanker into production, the design team had no choice but to accede – but to this day, Mikhail Simonov insists that the Sukhoi T-12 was a better all-round supersonic bomber than its rival Tu-22M3.
Recently released photos of the Sukhoi T-12 show its similarity to the T-10 Flanker, albeit much bigger........
Sukhoi T-12 Bomber Project
Secret Soviet bomber revealed....
Having engineered the cancellation of the Mach 3 capable Sukhoi T-4 ‘Sotka’ in 1967, Andrei Tupolev's OKB presented the Tu-22M as the only contender for the strategic supersonic bomber role.
As a ruse to get MAP funding for this project the OKB disguised it as an upgraded Tu-22 Blinder, but in fact it was a completely new design, known in-house as ‘Izdeliya 45-01’ or ‘Samolyet 145’
With their own development of the T-4 (the T-4M) also cancelled, the design bureau named after Pavel Sukhoi was looking for orders for its products to keep it in the bomber business.
The T-10 Flanker fighter was already in the design phase, so the design team – led by Mikhail Simonov – took a leaf out of Marcel Dassault’s book and simply scaled up the T-10 Flanker layout by a factor of 150%.
As the Dassault Mirage IV bomber was a bigger version of the Mirage III fighter, the resulting Sukhoi T-12 retained the basic Flanker shape, but incorporated a four-place cockpit and was powered four of the then new AL-31F engines supplied by the Lyulka engine OKB.
Capable of Mach 2.2 at altitude and with an unrefueled range of 7,000km, the T-12 was able to carry two Kh-22 (AS-4 Kitchen) missiles on underwing pylons plus another semi-recessed in the central weapons bay between the engine nacelles.
Rolled out of the Sukhoi flight-test facility at Zhukovsky on 12 January 1970, the T-12 underwent systems and engine tests during the spring of that year.
Although slated for mid-March, the first flight actually took place on 1st April 1970 at the hands of Sukhoi Test Pilot Vladimir Ilyushin, twice Hero of the Soviet Union.
Accompanying him on that first 1.5 hour sortie was flight engineer Pavel Krotkov, and lead navigator Sergei Popov. The rear WSO's seat was unoccupied on that first flight.
Following the highly successful first flight, the T-12 made ten more test flights from Zhukovsky and went supersonic on the eighth – on 23 June 1970.
The design max speed of Mach 2.2 was achieved on the ninth flight – 1 July 1970, following which, at the instigation of Andrei Tupolev, the whole programme was cancelled on the orders of Leonid Brezhnev.
With their hands full getting the T-10 Flanker into production, the design team had no choice but to accede – but to this day, Mikhail Simonov insists that the Sukhoi T-12 was a better all-round supersonic bomber than its rival Tu-22M3.
Recently released photos of the Sukhoi T-12 show its similarity to the T-10 Flanker, albeit much bigger........
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Una incorporacion de peso a la gloriosa comunidad de las Grullas. Demosle la bienvenida al hermano Chosen, quien a partir de hoy es el orgulloso miembro, numero 85, y acerca a solo 4 mas la posibilidad de formar un 5to escuadron.
Escuadron 1, FENIX:
01) 01.- JediKnigth
02) 05.- mig89
03) 09.- Doctor-N
04) 13.- Marcos
05) 17.- gato_ar
06) 21.- Mekorig
07) 25.- San la muerte
08) 29.- Valaquenta
09) 33.- FENIX
10) 37.- godoy cruz
11) 41.- jose gazcon
12) 45.- STRIKE FALCON
13) 49.- bati
14) 53.- DAGO
15) 57.- RHC
16) 61.- Flanker
17) 65.- Duwa
18) 69.- Raymund
Escuadron 2:"INMORTALES"
01) 02.- im.porron
02) 06.- Klingsor
03) 10.- Fatherland
04) 14.- doctorgerman
05) 18.- Monchi
06) 22.- Watcher of the Skies
07) 26.- AMORALAPATRIA
08) 30.- Halcon del sur
09) 34.- Shin_K
10) 38.- HANO_DEINOVITZ
11) 42.- jet_jet
12) 46.- Cruz
13) 50.- E-023
14) 54.- PanZZER
15) 58.- Skywalker
16) 62.- flanker/graffo
17) 66.- JPJ
18) 70.- berkut
Escuadron 3: "DRAGONES"
01) 03.- Buitreaux
02) 07.- MIGUEL
03) 11.- Juanse
04) 15.- cesar19
05) 19.- ST_man
06) 23.- Nemesis
07) 27.- Herman
08) 31.- Scheffer Alfredo
09) 35.- wolf357
10) 39.- luisj
11) 43.- CirculodeMohr
12) 47.- reydelcastillo
13) 51.- pabloeldido
14) 55.- mohawk
15) 59.- ARMANDODFL
16) 63.- Flanker2000
17) 67.- BolovoBR
18) 71.- Grulla
Escuadron 4: LOBOS DE ACERO
01) 04.- Hattusil
02) 08.- osqar
03) 12.- Filipi
04) 16.- Sr Vox
05) 20.- Stealthy
06) 24.- Acheron
07) 28.- gabotdf
08) 32.- chimango
09) 36.- argos
10) 40.- Superflanker
11) 44.- Procer
12) 48.- Danram
13) 52.- Lobita
14) 56.- Brazukão
15) 60.- flanker
16) 64.- Flanker27
17) 68.- Pereke
18) 72.- locojames
Los Pollitos del Mendo:
Mendogroso +
01) 73.- MIG-25
02) 74.- Alejandroctes
03) 75.- Zukov
04) 76.- Kuntur
05) 77.- Coronel
06) 78.- |___EPSILON___|
07) 79.- Diego_ArG
08) 80.- paulo
09) 81.- Dogo negro
10) 82.- condor103
11) 83.- Ferelpilotofaa
12) 84.- fenixc
13) 85.- Chosen
A 4 miembros del 5to escuadron
Escuadron 1, FENIX:
01) 01.- JediKnigth
02) 05.- mig89
03) 09.- Doctor-N
04) 13.- Marcos
05) 17.- gato_ar
06) 21.- Mekorig
07) 25.- San la muerte
08) 29.- Valaquenta
09) 33.- FENIX
10) 37.- godoy cruz
11) 41.- jose gazcon
12) 45.- STRIKE FALCON
13) 49.- bati
14) 53.- DAGO
15) 57.- RHC
16) 61.- Flanker
17) 65.- Duwa
18) 69.- Raymund
Escuadron 2:"INMORTALES"
01) 02.- im.porron
02) 06.- Klingsor
03) 10.- Fatherland
04) 14.- doctorgerman
05) 18.- Monchi
06) 22.- Watcher of the Skies
07) 26.- AMORALAPATRIA
08) 30.- Halcon del sur
09) 34.- Shin_K
10) 38.- HANO_DEINOVITZ
11) 42.- jet_jet
12) 46.- Cruz
13) 50.- E-023
14) 54.- PanZZER
15) 58.- Skywalker
16) 62.- flanker/graffo
17) 66.- JPJ
18) 70.- berkut
Escuadron 3: "DRAGONES"
01) 03.- Buitreaux
02) 07.- MIGUEL
03) 11.- Juanse
04) 15.- cesar19
05) 19.- ST_man
06) 23.- Nemesis
07) 27.- Herman
08) 31.- Scheffer Alfredo
09) 35.- wolf357
10) 39.- luisj
11) 43.- CirculodeMohr
12) 47.- reydelcastillo
13) 51.- pabloeldido
14) 55.- mohawk
15) 59.- ARMANDODFL
16) 63.- Flanker2000
17) 67.- BolovoBR
18) 71.- Grulla
Escuadron 4: LOBOS DE ACERO
01) 04.- Hattusil
02) 08.- osqar
03) 12.- Filipi
04) 16.- Sr Vox
05) 20.- Stealthy
06) 24.- Acheron
07) 28.- gabotdf
08) 32.- chimango
09) 36.- argos
10) 40.- Superflanker
11) 44.- Procer
12) 48.- Danram
13) 52.- Lobita
14) 56.- Brazukão
15) 60.- flanker
16) 64.- Flanker27
17) 68.- Pereke
18) 72.- locojames
Los Pollitos del Mendo:
Mendogroso +
01) 73.- MIG-25
02) 74.- Alejandroctes
03) 75.- Zukov
04) 76.- Kuntur
05) 77.- Coronel
06) 78.- |___EPSILON___|
07) 79.- Diego_ArG
08) 80.- paulo
09) 81.- Dogo negro
10) 82.- condor103
11) 83.- Ferelpilotofaa
12) 84.- fenixc
13) 85.- Chosen
A 4 miembros del 5to escuadron
...
Sukhoi T-12 Bomber Project
Secret Soviet bomber revealed....
Having engineered the cancellation of the Mach 3 capable Sukhoi T-4 ‘Sotka’ in 1967, Andrei Tupolev's OKB presented the Tu-22M as the only contender for the strategic supersonic bomber role.
As a ruse to get MAP funding for this project the OKB disguised it as an upgraded Tu-22 Blinder, but in fact it was a completely new design, known in-house as ‘Izdeliya 45-01’ or ‘Samolyet 145’
With their own development of the T-4 (the T-4M) also cancelled, the design bureau named after Pavel Sukhoi was looking for orders for its products to keep it in the bomber business.
The T-10 Flanker fighter was already in the design phase, so the design team – led by Mikhail Simonov – took a leaf out of Marcel Dassault’s book and simply scaled up the T-10 Flanker layout by a factor of 150%.
As the Dassault Mirage IV bomber was a bigger version of the Mirage III fighter, the resulting Sukhoi T-12 retained the basic Flanker shape, but incorporated a four-place cockpit and was powered four of the then new AL-31F engines supplied by the Lyulka engine OKB.
Capable of Mach 2.2 at altitude and with an unrefueled range of 7,000km, the T-12 was able to carry two Kh-22 (AS-4 Kitchen) missiles on underwing pylons plus another semi-recessed in the central weapons bay between the engine nacelles.
Rolled out of the Sukhoi flight-test facility at Zhukovsky on 12 January 1970, the T-12 underwent systems and engine tests during the spring of that year.
Although slated for mid-March, the first flight actually took place on 1st April 1970 at the hands of Sukhoi Test Pilot Vladimir Ilyushin, twice Hero of the Soviet Union.
Accompanying him on that first 1.5 hour sortie was flight engineer Pavel Krotkov, and lead navigator Sergei Popov. The rear WSO's seat was unoccupied on that first flight.
Following the highly successful first flight, the T-12 made ten more test flights from Zhukovsky and went supersonic on the eighth – on 23 June 1970.
The design max speed of Mach 2.2 was achieved on the ninth flight – 1 July 1970, following which, at the instigation of Andrei Tupolev, the whole programme was cancelled on the orders of Leonid Brezhnev.
With their hands full getting the T-10 Flanker into production, the design team had no choice but to accede – but to this day, Mikhail Simonov insists that the Sukhoi T-12 was a better all-round supersonic bomber than its rival Tu-22M3.
Recently released photos of the Sukhoi T-12 show its similarity to the T-10 Flanker, albeit much bigger........
media pila Sukhoi:sifone:...un poco mas de creatividad en el diseño es mucho pedir?:rofl:
En realidad es un invento de Ken Duffey, su sitio esta lleno de Flankers y como armar las distintas versiones
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/t-12.htm
Uso un Su-27 en 1/48 con un Su-24 1/72 para la cabina y dos Su-24 1/72 para las gondolas motoras.
El T-12 en realidad era un proyecto de avion de ataque para sustituir al Su-25. Un biplaza con tripulantes en cabinas separadas, estilo twin Mustang, toma de aire central y alas en flecha negativa
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/t-12.htm
Uso un Su-27 en 1/48 con un Su-24 1/72 para la cabina y dos Su-24 1/72 para las gondolas motoras.
El T-12 en realidad era un proyecto de avion de ataque para sustituir al Su-25. Un biplaza con tripulantes en cabinas separadas, estilo twin Mustang, toma de aire central y alas en flecha negativa
Buitreaux
Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
EL SANTO GRIAL DE LOS MODELOS DE FLANKER A ESCALA
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_flankers.html
Foto de muestra
Jejeje, hay 18 modelos, asi que cada miembro de escuadron puede elegir uno. Yo me quedo con el TERMINATOR :cheers2:
:hurray:
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/modl_flankers.html
Foto de muestra
Jejeje, hay 18 modelos, asi que cada miembro de escuadron puede elegir uno. Yo me quedo con el TERMINATOR :cheers2:
:hurray:
july_c_1994
Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
me puedo sumar?
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