Accidentes en la Aviación Civil

Shandor

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Siete muertos al estrellarse en Massachusetts un avión con destino a Nueva Jersey
El impacto provocó la destrucción casi total del aparato, y una bola de fuego de 30 metros visible en varios kilómetros a la redonda
Los siete ocupantes de un avión con destino a Atlantic City (Nueva Jersey) han fallecido al estrellarse su aparato cuando despegaba del aeropuerto de Hanscom Field (Massachusetts), confirmaron las autoridades del estado al «Boston Globe».
La avioneta, modelo Gulfstream IV, se estrelló en la pista 11 del aeropuerto sobre las 21.40, según el portavoz de la Administración Federal de Aviación al diario. La identidad de las víctimas todavía no han sido hechas públicas, pendiente de notificación familiar.
El impacto provocó la destrucción casi total del aparato, y una bola de fuego de unos 30 metros de altura visible en varios kilómetros a la redonda. Las causas exactas del incidente están pendientes de investigación.
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bullrock

Disculpá Bullrock, pero lo que comenté se dijo por los diarios, y por televisión. O de donde crees que supe sobre el tema.
ya se que salio, yo mismo edite cuando puse esto, porque considero que no hay que hacerse eco de esos detalles
 

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ya se que salio, yo mismo edite cuando puse esto, porque considero que no hay que hacerse eco de esos detalles
se nota que no leiste ningun díario, con lujos de detalle dieron hasta las heridas sufridas. Además Bullrock, los propios familiares terminan informandose con la autopsia.

Es como un accidente de autos, el sáque por el golpe te hace el latigazo en el cuello. Y podés estar completamente intacto, sin daños internos.
 

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Aterriza como puedas: un pasajero se hace con los mandos de un avión
El piloto sufrió un infarto y fue sustituido por otro piloto de combate que viajaba en el pasaje
¿Alguien sabe pilotar un avión?
Podría ser una frase de película, pero sonó en la megafonía de un Boeing 737 que volaba a 9.000 metros de altura con 157 personas a bordo. Y sin piloto.
Era el 30 de diciembre y el piloto sufrió un infarto en pleno vuelo entre Des Moines y Denver. El capitán de las Fuerzas Aéreas Mike Gongol, antiguo piloto de los grandes bombarderos B1-B, se dio cuenta de que algo no iba bien cuando los motores se pararon. Enseguida, el avión se inclinó hacia la derecha y comenzó a descender.
«Una azafata preguntó por la megafonía si había un médico a bordo», declaró Gongol en una entrevista que se ha dado a conocer recientemente. A continuación, los auxiliares de vuelo salieron corriendo hacia la primera clase con el botiquín de primeros auxilios y el carrito de las bebidas.
Aterrizaje de emergencia
Al cabo de unos instantes, por la megafonía sonó un mensaje aterrador: «¿Hay algún piloto a bordo? Por favor presionen su botón de llamada». Según ha declarado, Gongol miró a su mujer y se dirigió a la cabina de mando.
El piloto estaba sufriendo un ataque cardíaco y la copiloto estaba muy nerviosa. Según explica Gongol, ella le preguntó: «¿Eres piloto? ¿Qué vuelas?».
Ambos se quedaron callados. «Ella estaba en una situación seria y esa pregunta le dio cinco segundos para evaluar si yo sería útil. Yo también tuve cinco segundos para preguntarme si ella estaba sufriendo un ataque de pánico o estaba bien para volar el avión».
Finalmente, se sentó a los mandos para ayudar a la copiloto, quien le confesó que nunca había aterrizado en el aeropuerto al que se dirigían. Por fortuna, Gongol lo había hecho y le pudo hablar de él.
«Todo el mundo a bordo estaba calmado, no hay duda de que esto contribuyó por encima de todo a que todo fuera bien», dijo Gongol.
Finalmente, el avión aterrizó sin más percances y el piloto que sufrió el infarto sobrevivió.
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Es una exageracion ese articulo

Aca dice que el piloto de Lancer hizo de copiloto el mismo, ayudando con tareas como listas de comprobacion, comunicaciones radiales y al final para indicar por donde taxear, ya que ya habia estado en ese aeropuerto y la copiloto no.
Incluso menciona claramente que al avion lo aterrizo la copiloto.
Elogia el profesionalismo de la copiloto, en ningun lado dice que tuvo que hacerse cargo de todo.
A veces el amarillismo puede mas


AF pilot helps in airline emergency
By Staff Sgt. Jacob Morgan, 21st Space Wing Public Affairs / Published May 30, 2014


Capt. Mark Gongol helped land a commercial 737 Dec. 30, 2013, when the pilot had a medical emergency. Gongol is a B-1B Lancer pilot and the 13th Air Support Operations Squadron assistant director of operations at Fort Carson, Colo. (Courtesy photo)


PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. (AFNS) -- (This feature is part of the "Through Airmen's Eyes" series on AF.mil. These stories focus on a single Airman, highlighting their Air Force story.)
Most people think that during an emergency they would step up to the plate, act heroically and do what is necessary to save lives. Thinking one might rescue the day is a noble thought, but acting on those thoughts is what sets the nation's heroes above noble thinkers.

"Every pilot thinks 'what would I do if this all goes wrong' on an aircraft they are not controlling," said Capt. Mark Gongol, a B-1B Lancer pilot and the 13th Air Support Operations Squadron assistant director of operations at Fort Carson, Colorado. "As a professional courtesy, we all know the aircrew at civilian airlines are extremely qualified, but as a byproduct of being a pilot, I always have a heightened awareness when flying -- however, I never thought I would be in the situation I was in."

After spending the holidays with his family, Gongol, his wife and daughter were on their way from Des Moines International Airport, Iowa, Dec. 30, 2013, with 151 other passengers and six crewmembers.To him and his family, the day was just like any other.

Approximately 30 minutes into the flight, Gongol said he noticed the engines power down to idle. Thoughts immediately started jumping through his head. There were a variety of reasons why the engines would shut down to idle, none of them categorized as normal. Slowly, the aircraft began to descend and turn right.

"Over the public address system; a flight attendant asked if there was a doctor on board the plane," Gongol said. "A few more calls went out for medical professionals and the flight attendants were all hurrying to first class with their beverage carts and a first-aid kits."

At that moment, Gongol thought it was a medical emergency with a first class passenger, his instincts told him to stay seated and stay out of the way.

A fourth call went out, "are there any non-revenue pilots on board, please ring your call button."

Immediately, Gongol realized the pilot was the patient. He looked to his wife; as she gave him a nod, Gongol pressed his button and headed toward the flight deck.

Arriving at the flight deck, Gongol said he saw four flight attendants and two passenger nurses assembling a make-shift bed. Medical kits were strewn across the ground and the captain of the aircraft was seated in his chair, eyes dilated, sweaty, clammy and disoriented. Gongol immediately thought the pilot was suffering some serious cardiac trauma.

"After they moved the pilot, I was asked by the first officer, 'are you a pilot,' which was quickly followed with 'what do you fly,'" Gongol said. "I knew she was in a serious situation and that question gave her five seconds to judge if I would be useful. I also had about five seconds to assess her, 'was she panicking, or was she OK to fly the aircraft?' We both finished our silent assessments, she made the right judgment and told me to close the door and have a seat."

From there, Gongol said he was calm and collected, and the first officer decided that he would be most useful to talk on the radios, back her up on the aircraft's checklists and look for anything going wrong.

Having been an aircraft commander, Gongol said he is used to making decisions, but he knew the best way to get the aircraft down safely was to play a support role to the first officer and make things as normal as possible.

"She was calm, but you could tell she was a little stressed -- who wouldn't be," Gongol said. "At the beginning, I interrupted her flow of operations, but we figured everything out extremely quickly. She was very impressive."

Gongol said there were hundreds of issues the two pilots talked through on the aircraft while descending: cabin pressure, approach, contact with air traffic control, visual cues, and programming of the auto-pilot were just a few. At about 500 feet above ground level, the first officer hand-flew the approach to a normal touchdown.

After landing, the first officer turned to Gongol and asked if he knew where to taxi, she had never been to the Omaha airport before. Taken aback by how cool, calm and collected the first officer had acted without knowing the airport, Gongol remembered landing at the airport before while in pilot training.

"Surprisingly, taxiing was the most stressful part of the day for the first officer," Gongol said. "She had never taxied a 737 before and the (air traffic control) had no idea that the pilot was the reason for the emergency. We had to make a quick decision that her switching to the pilot's seat and taxiing the aircraft without the training was necessary to save the captain's life."

As the air stairs went down and the aircraft was shut down, Gongol and the first officer talked through the decisions they had just made. Gongol assured the first officer that every decision she made would be backed up by him; he would have taken the exact same actions had he been in her place.

Since the emergency the captain of the aircraft is recovering well and contacted Gongol directly to thank him.

"I saw nothing but the finest professionalism under pressure out of the flight attendants, the nurses and the first officer," Gongol said. "Everyone aboard the aircraft remained calm. There is no doubt in my mind this contributed, above all else, to our successful outcome. In my opinion, any military pilot would have done the exact same thing I did."


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Es una exageracion ese articulo

Aca dice que el piloto de Lancer hizo de copiloto el mismo, ayudando con tareas como listas de comprobacion, comunicaciones radiales y al final para indicar por donde taxear, ya que ya habia estado en ese aeropuerto y la copiloto no.
Incluso menciona claramente que al avion lo aterrizo la copiloto.
Elogia el profesionalismo de la copiloto, en ningun lado dice que tuvo que hacerse cargo de todo.
A veces el amarillismo puede mas


AF pilot helps in airline emergency
By Staff Sgt. Jacob Morgan, 21st Space Wing Public Affairs / Published May 30, 2014


Capt. Mark Gongol helped land a commercial 737 Dec. 30, 2013, when the pilot had a medical emergency. Gongol is a B-1B Lancer pilot and the 13th Air Support Operations Squadron assistant director of operations at Fort Carson, Colo. (Courtesy photo)


PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. (AFNS) -- (This feature is part of the "Through Airmen's Eyes" series on AF.mil. These stories focus on a single Airman, highlighting their Air Force story.)
Most people think that during an emergency they would step up to the plate, act heroically and do what is necessary to save lives. Thinking one might rescue the day is a noble thought, but acting on those thoughts is what sets the nation's heroes above noble thinkers.

"Every pilot thinks 'what would I do if this all goes wrong' on an aircraft they are not controlling," said Capt. Mark Gongol, a B-1B Lancer pilot and the 13th Air Support Operations Squadron assistant director of operations at Fort Carson, Colorado. "As a professional courtesy, we all know the aircrew at civilian airlines are extremely qualified, but as a byproduct of being a pilot, I always have a heightened awareness when flying -- however, I never thought I would be in the situation I was in."

After spending the holidays with his family, Gongol, his wife and daughter were on their way from Des Moines International Airport, Iowa, Dec. 30, 2013, with 151 other passengers and six crewmembers.To him and his family, the day was just like any other.

Approximately 30 minutes into the flight, Gongol said he noticed the engines power down to idle. Thoughts immediately started jumping through his head. There were a variety of reasons why the engines would shut down to idle, none of them categorized as normal. Slowly, the aircraft began to descend and turn right.

"Over the public address system; a flight attendant asked if there was a doctor on board the plane," Gongol said. "A few more calls went out for medical professionals and the flight attendants were all hurrying to first class with their beverage carts and a first-aid kits."

At that moment, Gongol thought it was a medical emergency with a first class passenger, his instincts told him to stay seated and stay out of the way.

A fourth call went out, "are there any non-revenue pilots on board, please ring your call button."

Immediately, Gongol realized the pilot was the patient. He looked to his wife; as she gave him a nod, Gongol pressed his button and headed toward the flight deck.

Arriving at the flight deck, Gongol said he saw four flight attendants and two passenger nurses assembling a make-shift bed. Medical kits were strewn across the ground and the captain of the aircraft was seated in his chair, eyes dilated, sweaty, clammy and disoriented. Gongol immediately thought the pilot was suffering some serious cardiac trauma.

"After they moved the pilot, I was asked by the first officer, 'are you a pilot,' which was quickly followed with 'what do you fly,'" Gongol said. "I knew she was in a serious situation and that question gave her five seconds to judge if I would be useful. I also had about five seconds to assess her, 'was she panicking, or was she OK to fly the aircraft?' We both finished our silent assessments, she made the right judgment and told me to close the door and have a seat."

From there, Gongol said he was calm and collected, and the first officer decided that he would be most useful to talk on the radios, back her up on the aircraft's checklists and look for anything going wrong.

Having been an aircraft commander, Gongol said he is used to making decisions, but he knew the best way to get the aircraft down safely was to play a support role to the first officer and make things as normal as possible.

"She was calm, but you could tell she was a little stressed -- who wouldn't be," Gongol said. "At the beginning, I interrupted her flow of operations, but we figured everything out extremely quickly. She was very impressive."

Gongol said there were hundreds of issues the two pilots talked through on the aircraft while descending: cabin pressure, approach, contact with air traffic control, visual cues, and programming of the auto-pilot were just a few. At about 500 feet above ground level, the first officer hand-flew the approach to a normal touchdown.

After landing, the first officer turned to Gongol and asked if he knew where to taxi, she had never been to the Omaha airport before. Taken aback by how cool, calm and collected the first officer had acted without knowing the airport, Gongol remembered landing at the airport before while in pilot training.

"Surprisingly, taxiing was the most stressful part of the day for the first officer," Gongol said. "She had never taxied a 737 before and the (air traffic control) had no idea that the pilot was the reason for the emergency. We had to make a quick decision that her switching to the pilot's seat and taxiing the aircraft without the training was necessary to save the captain's life."

As the air stairs went down and the aircraft was shut down, Gongol and the first officer talked through the decisions they had just made. Gongol assured the first officer that every decision she made would be backed up by him; he would have taken the exact same actions had he been in her place.

Since the emergency the captain of the aircraft is recovering well and contacted Gongol directly to thank him.

"I saw nothing but the finest professionalism under pressure out of the flight attendants, the nurses and the first officer," Gongol said. "Everyone aboard the aircraft remained calm. There is no doubt in my mind this contributed, above all else, to our successful outcome. In my opinion, any military pilot would have done the exact same thing I did."


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El piloto estaba sufriendo un ataque cardíaco y la copiloto estaba muy nerviosa. Según explica Gongol, ella le preguntó: «¿Eres piloto? ¿Qué vuelas?».
Ambos se quedaron callados. «Ella estaba en una situación seria y esa pregunta le dio cinco segundos para evaluar si yo sería útil. Yo también tuve cinco segundos para preguntarme si ella estaba sufriendo un ataque de pánico o estaba bien para volar el avión».
 

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El piloto estaba sufriendo un ataque cardíaco y la copiloto estaba muy nerviosa. Según explica Gongol, ella le preguntó: «¿Eres piloto? ¿Qué vuelas?».
Ambos se quedaron callados. «Ella estaba en una situación seria y esa pregunta le dio cinco segundos para evaluar si yo sería útil. Yo también tuve cinco segundos para preguntarme si ella estaba sufriendo un ataque de pánico o estaba bien para volar el avión».
Esta sacado de contexto Derru

"She was calm, but you could tell she was a little stressed -- who wouldn't be," Gongol said. "At the beginning, I interrupted her flow of operations, but we figured everything out extremely quickly. She was very impressive."

"Ella estaba calma, pero se podria decir que estaba un poco estresada - quien no lo estaria?" dijo Gongol.
"Al principio, yo interrumpi sus tareas, pero nos hicimos cargo de toda la situacion extremadamente rapido"
"Ella fue muy impresionante"

"At about 500 feet above ground level, the first officer hand-flew the approach to a normal touchdown"
A unos 500 pies sobre el terreno, la primer oficial hizo manualmente la aproximacion y un aterrizaje normal

"As the air stairs went down and the aircraft was shut down, Gongol and the first officer talked through the decisions they had just made. Gongol assured the first officer that every decision she made would be backed up by him; he would have taken the exact same actions had he been in her place."
Cuando todo el avion estuvo apagado, Gongol y la primer oficial hablaron de las decisiones que habian tomado. Gongol aseguro a la primer oficial que todas las decisiones que ella tomo hubieran sido respaldadas por el; el habria tomado exactamente las mismas acciones que ella en su lugar.

 

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Esta sacado de contexto Derru

"She was calm, but you could tell she was a little stressed -- who wouldn't be," Gongol said. "At the beginning, I interrupted her flow of operations, but we figured everything out extremely quickly. She was very impressive."

"Ella estaba calma, pero se podria decir que estaba un poco estresada - quien no lo estaria?" dijo Gongol.
"Al principio, yo interrumpi sus tareas, pero nos hicimos cargo de toda la situacion extremadamente rapido"
"Ella fue muy impresionante"

"At about 500 feet above ground level, the first officer hand-flew the approach to a normal touchdown"
A unos 500 pies sobre el terreno, la primer oficial hizo manualmente la aproximacion y un aterrizaje normal

"As the air stairs went down and the aircraft was shut down, Gongol and the first officer talked through the decisions they had just made. Gongol assured the first officer that every decision she made would be backed up by him; he would have taken the exact same actions had he been in her place."
Cuando todo el avion estuvo apagado, Gongol y la primer oficial hablaron de las decisiones que habian tomado. Gongol aseguro a la primer oficial que todas las decisiones que ella tomo hubieran sido respaldadas por el; el habria tomado exactamente las mismas acciones que ella en su lugar.
mal traducido en todo caso Monchi, yo la verdad que a ésta altura del día ni en dope me pongo a leer algo en ingles. El artículo estaba en cagastellano.............. es problema del que levantó el artículo o lo tradujo-
 

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mal traducido en todo caso Monchi, yo la verdad que a ésta altura del día ni en dope me pongo a leer algo en ingles. El artículo estaba en cagastellano.............. es problema del que levantó el artículo o lo tradujo-
No es problema de traduccion, cualquier salame con nivel medio de ingles entiende el sentido y que fue lo que paso. Hasta Google te lo debe traducir con el sentidio correcto.
Pasa que seguro vende mas decir "el piloto tuvo un infarto, la copiloto estaba nerviosa, y milagrosamente habia un piloto de B-1 como pasajero que los salvo, sino se estrellaban"
No creo que alguien que se tilda en una situacion asi pueda llegar a copiloto de 737. Tienen sesiones en simulador con situaciones de emergencia, estudios psicofisicos, etc
Cosmic, como es el tema?
 

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no entiendo porque pidio un piloto en la cabina de pasajeros..
porque estaba alterada
La incapacitation de un piloto es una EMERGENCIA. Los pilotos que volamos aviones de Cabina compartida tenemos procedimientos escritos por el fabricante de como proceder en esos casos.
Tambien se practica en el simulador, especialemente para los primeros Oficiales.

Uno de los puntos del procedimiento es pedir asistencia de algun piloto que este presente en la Cabina de pasajeros. En el procedimiento escrito de Airbus dice "company qualified pilot" / piloto habilitado de la compañia.
Muchas veces vuelan pilotos de la compañias llendo a Simulador, reposicionamiento, vacaciones, etc, y pueden asistir al piloto que quedo en el cockpit a cargo del vuelo.

No me parece mal que el (la) piloto de este caso haya aceptado la ayuda de un piloto no habilitado en la aeronave ni empleado de la compañia.
En una Emergencia todo vale y despues uno explica las razones en tierra que llevaron a tomar las decisiones.

Por otra parte es practica normal en el mundo que los Copilotos no ruedan el avion en tierra por lo que en este caso se les complica la situacion. No estamos hablando de aeropuertos Argentinos como Neuquen o Rio Gallegos con una sola pista y un solo rodaje.
En China Airlines cuando practicabamos los primeros Oficiales en el Simulador lo que se hacia era sacar el avion de la pista y lo rodabamos solo a la calle de rodaje mas cercana a la pista donde solicitabamos que estuvieran los servicios con una escalera y un tractor.

Hay aviones como el MD DC-10 que no tienen tyller el lado derecho del primer oficial que es una manija o ruedita que permite a modo de volante rodajer el avion en tierra.
En esos aviones el primero Oficial tendria que dejar el avion en la pista o tratar con frenado diferencial sacarlo de la misma.

Es buena practica que los pilotos, Tripulantes de Cabina y mecanicos aeronauticos nos presentemos ante el jefe de servicio abordo, Comisario en los vuelos que vamos de pasajeros aunque no seamos de esa compañia.
 
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bullrock

me refiero a que si la chica estaba bien, y tenia la situacion controlada, porque pidio por otro piloto. pues la emergencia era medica, el avion no tenia ningun problema de vuelo creo
 
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bullrock

si es asi, minimamente la tendran que bajar de vuelo, y reentrenar.. porque no puede volar como copiloto
 

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Pero capaz que se puso nerviosa y/o alterada por la emergencia medica del piloto....capaz que palmo ahi al lado de ella
 
Huuuu...cuanto bardo porque el Ministro esta o no esta!!!, cuanto gatoflorismo muchachos...si va porque va, y si no va porque no estuvo ahí!!!
El tipo hizo lo que creyó conveniente, si no estaría uno de Uds. en su puesto, que seguramente habría hecho las cosas mejor.


Todo esto me hace acordar a una frace que decia mi mamá: No hay peor cosa, que un idiota con iniciativa...

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