Que locas histericas son, me juego a que cada vez que la pasan en la tele la miran y disfrutan, con errores y todo. Locas!Son re grosos.....y después dicen que los sovieticos no llevaban la delantera en SAM.
No sabia que los Hornet grababan las fotos en un DVD bajo el asiento (yo agarro un pozo con el auto y salta el CD en el stereo)
El F-18 también tiene algún equipo super secreto que detecta miradas porque le tiran con un Strela-1 9K31/9M311 (SA-9 Gaskin) de lanzamiento visual y detecta la mirada del operador!
No entiendo, el Gaskin lanza esto...........
....y después pareciera que el misil le crecen aletas y se transforma en algo parecido a un R-98T/AA-3 Anab
O le erraron y aparecio sobre Serbia un Flagon tirandole unos AAM R-98?
Derribo del MH17
- Tema iniciado Juanma
- Fecha de inicio
Efecto de uno de los R-60 IR con cabeza de 3 kilos lanzados por Flagon en un B-707 de KAL en abril de 1978, el avión atacado debió aterrizar de emergencia en la Karelia en el lago congelado Korpijarvi, a 240 km de mi casa en Helsinki 
...
http://englishrussia.com/2008/06/03/the-korean-boeing/
Y con ésto y un bizcocho, hasta mañana a las ocho.
...http://englishrussia.com/2008/06/03/the-korean-boeing/
Y con ésto y un bizcocho, hasta mañana a las ocho.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28416973
MH17 bodies leave Ukraine rebel area and reach Kharkiv
A train carrying the remains of victims of the Malaysian airliner which crashed in Ukraine has arrived in the city of Kharkiv, outside rebel territory.
Flight MH17 crashed in an area held by pro-Russia rebels last Thursday, killing all 298 people on board.
Meanwhile, international monitors say parts of the wreckage have been changed and cut into since they first saw them.
Western nations say there is growing evidence the rebels shot down the plane using a missile supplied by Russia.
Russia has suggested Ukrainian government forces are to blame.
Hope for clues
Most of those who died in the crash of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 were Dutch, and the first remains are due to be flown from Kharkiv to the Dutch city of Eindhoven on Wednesday.
From there, they will go to a facility in the Dutch city of Hilversum for identification - a process which could take months, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said.
The train carrying the bodies from the MH17 crash site arrived in Kharkiv on Tuesday
Experts have expressed concern that forensic evidence at the crash site could be lost
The bodies will be kept in refrigerated rail carriages in Kharkiv while they are being prepared for transport, a spokeswoman for the Dutch forensics team has said.
Countries directly affected by the disaster, such as the Netherlands, Australia, and the UK, have been concerned that the crash site was not properly sealed off, with the risk that valuable evidence could be put at risk.
The plane's "black box" flight recorders, which were handed over by rebels to Malaysian officials, will be flown to a laboratory in the UK for analysis, British Prime Minister David Cameron has confirmed.
Investigators hope the devices, described as being in good condition, will provide clues about what happened to the plane.
There is uncertainty about how much information the "black box recorders" might reveal
A newly released satellite image shows the crash site in the middle of Grabove in eastern Ukraine
Monitors from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) have been examining the wreckage.
They found that major pieces of the plane had been cut into - possibly to remove bodies - and that large parts now looked different, a spokesman told the BBC.
New Russia sanctions
European Union foreign ministers have announced they will impose more sanctions against Russia over its alleged backing for the rebels - something Moscow denies.
Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans said the list of individuals and groups covered by EU sanctions would be broadened and a new list drawn up by EU ambassadors by Thursday at the latest.
Ministers will also ask the European Commission to increase punitive measures against Russia in the defence and financial sectors.
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Among those killed were two British fans en route to New Zealand for a Newcastle United game
Both the EU and the US imposed sanctions on Russia following its annexation of Crimea in March and the outbreak of hostilities in eastern Ukraine.
Speaking at a meeting of his security council on Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Russia would do "all we can" to exercise influence over the rebels.
But at the same time, he urged the West to put pressure on the Ukrainian government to end the conflict.
"There is a need to call upon the authorities in Kiev to abide by elementary norms of decency, to introduce a ceasefire, at least for a short time for the investigation to go on," he said.
Fighting has continued in Ukraine despite the crash, with 13 soldiers reported to have died in recent clashes
The conflict between Ukrainian government forces and rebels has continued, with reports of fighting round Donetsk and Luhansk.
On Twitter, Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said the army had captured the strategically important town of Severodonetsk, located some 140km (87 miles) from the key rebel stronghold of Donetsk.
Parliament has also approved the call-up of more military reserves and men under 50.
The separatist leader in Luhansk, Valery Bolotov, has ordered a counter-offensive in response to the string of advances by the Ukrainian army.
He said he was taking action in part because of the "critical humanitarian situation in Luhansk caused by its blockade".
Thirteen Ukrainian soldiers were killed over the past 24 hours, a Ukrainian security official said. Three of them died as a bus packed with explosives blew up at a roadblock.
The fighting in eastern Ukraine erupted in April and is believed to have claimed more than 1,000 lives.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28416973
MH17 bodies leave Ukraine rebel area and reach Kharkiv
A train carrying the remains of victims of the Malaysian airliner which crashed in Ukraine has arrived in the city of Kharkiv, outside rebel territory.
Flight MH17 crashed in an area held by pro-Russia rebels last Thursday, killing all 298 people on board.
Meanwhile, international monitors say parts of the wreckage have been changed and cut into since they first saw them.
Western nations say there is growing evidence the rebels shot down the plane using a missile supplied by Russia.
Russia has suggested Ukrainian government forces are to blame.
Hope for clues
Most of those who died in the crash of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 were Dutch, and the first remains are due to be flown from Kharkiv to the Dutch city of Eindhoven on Wednesday.
From there, they will go to a facility in the Dutch city of Hilversum for identification - a process which could take months, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said.
The bodies will be kept in refrigerated rail carriages in Kharkiv while they are being prepared for transport, a spokeswoman for the Dutch forensics team has said.
Countries directly affected by the disaster, such as the Netherlands, Australia, and the UK, have been concerned that the crash site was not properly sealed off, with the risk that valuable evidence could be put at risk.
The plane's "black box" flight recorders, which were handed over by rebels to Malaysian officials, will be flown to a laboratory in the UK for analysis, British Prime Minister David Cameron has confirmed.
Investigators hope the devices, described as being in good condition, will provide clues about what happened to the plane.
Monitors from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) have been examining the wreckage.
They found that major pieces of the plane had been cut into - possibly to remove bodies - and that large parts now looked different, a spokesman told the BBC.
New Russia sanctions
European Union foreign ministers have announced they will impose more sanctions against Russia over its alleged backing for the rebels - something Moscow denies.
Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans said the list of individuals and groups covered by EU sanctions would be broadened and a new list drawn up by EU ambassadors by Thursday at the latest.
Ministers will also ask the European Commission to increase punitive measures against Russia in the defence and financial sectors.
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Netherlands PM Mark Rutte: "Our main priority remains the return of all of our people"
Both the EU and the US imposed sanctions on Russia following its annexation of Crimea in March and the outbreak of hostilities in eastern Ukraine.
Speaking at a meeting of his security council on Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Russia would do "all we can" to exercise influence over the rebels.
But at the same time, he urged the West to put pressure on the Ukrainian government to end the conflict.
"There is a need to call upon the authorities in Kiev to abide by elementary norms of decency, to introduce a ceasefire, at least for a short time for the investigation to go on," he said.
The conflict between Ukrainian government forces and rebels has continued, with reports of fighting round Donetsk and Luhansk.
On Twitter, Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said the army had captured the strategically important town of Severodonetsk, located some 140km (87 miles) from the key rebel stronghold of Donetsk.
Parliament has also approved the call-up of more military reserves and men under 50.
The separatist leader in Luhansk, Valery Bolotov, has ordered a counter-offensive in response to the string of advances by the Ukrainian army.
He said he was taking action in part because of the "critical humanitarian situation in Luhansk caused by its blockade".
Thirteen Ukrainian soldiers were killed over the past 24 hours, a Ukrainian security official said. Three of them died as a bus packed with explosives blew up at a roadblock.
The fighting in eastern Ukraine erupted in April and is believed to have claimed more than 1,000 lives.
pero...pero...
realmente me llama la atencion el pequeño (???) agujero que seria (potencial) del impacto del misil...
pero por que debiera ser ese el agujero principal?
por eso puse...potencial.
yo tambien tanex! 
La vi una vez y me basto, es malisima. Tres helicopteros en estacionario para rescatar a un tipo frente a tanques y vehiculos blindados armados y no pueden derribar a uno y encima los SEALS desde los helicopteros en movimiento le pegan a todo abajo y los malos ni ahi....malisima
Acabas de describir todas las pelis de hollywood.
Excepto "Black Hawk Down"....
Es que no hay comparación.
El B-52 se hizo "a la antigua" fijate los años que se vienen bancando las celulas y todavía tienen cuerda.
No va a ser lo mismo pegarle un misil a un 707 que a un 777.
No, el agujero ese no debe ser del misil. Debe ser otra cosa.
Estalló antes el misil y hace como una escopeta con su explosivo rodeado de anillos metalicos (que genera las esquirlas que ves en el resto del fuselaje)
No sabía lo del B-52 que contás, voy a buscar.
Creo que fue un MiG-29 en la primera guerra del Golfo (1991), también se atribuían el derribo de un Tornado y un F-111 dañado por un R-60 (volvio a su base pero se evito que concretara su ataque)
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el problema como se ve en la foto es que la metralla por lo minimo que sea ha pegado de lleno muy cerca de la cabina de pilotos por ende por más que el avión esté en condiciones de volver a un aeropuerto si los pilotos están todos heridos o muertos quien lo va a pilotear?.
En EEUU dicen que fue un HARM que se enganchó en el radar de tiro del cañón en la cola, y no un R 27.
Me parece más verosímil el R 27
"justo".
Bueno, es que la sobrevivilidad de un B52, por ser un aparato militar de nacimiento, seguramente se tuvo en cuenta a la hora de disenar su airframe. Eso sin agregar que en esa epoca las estructuras se hacian mas robustas, en parte por la filosofia de diseno y en parte por los requerimientos operacionales del aparato.
El 707 es contemporaneo al B52, pero es estructuralmente diferente de su hermano mayor (KC-135). En su filosofia de diseno se incorporan los elementos estructurales redundantes (redundand load pahts) y de ahi para la actualidad todas las mejoras y optimizaciones hasta llegar al dano tolerado (damage tolerance) que se usan en 757, 767, 777, 787, 737NG, y 747.
Pero en resumen, yo diria que un impacto de misil hubiera tenido el mismo efecto en un 707 (o cualquier otro avion de linea para el caso).
Saludos.
http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/3486
Para los que no hablan gringo, la nota comenta que luego de la conferencia de prensa rusa donde dicen que el Su-25 siguio al vuelo civil, se detectaron ediciones de la pagina de wikipedia del Su-25 provenientes de Moscu, y la edicion era sobre el techo operacional del avion.
Para los que no hablan gringo, la nota comenta que luego de la conferencia de prensa rusa donde dicen que el Su-25 siguio al vuelo civil, se detectaron ediciones de la pagina de wikipedia del Su-25 provenientes de Moscu, y la edicion era sobre el techo operacional del avion.
En el hilo "Relaciones Rusia-Ucrania" se publicaron fotos satelitales rusas que muestran sistemas BUK en las cercanias de la zona de la caida del B777
http://www.zona-militar.com/foros/threads/relaciones-rusia-ucrania.30518/page-121#post-1609757
tomado de
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/134748-rusia-preguntas-mh17-ucrania-avion-eeuu
¿Algún comentario?
¿Serian las pruebas para determinar que el misil salió del lado de las fuerzas ucranianas?
¿O solo probarian que habia sistemas BUK ucranianos en las cercanias?
http://www.zona-militar.com/foros/threads/relaciones-rusia-ucrania.30518/page-121#post-1609757
tomado de
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/134748-rusia-preguntas-mh17-ucrania-avion-eeuu
¿Algún comentario?
¿Serian las pruebas para determinar que el misil salió del lado de las fuerzas ucranianas?
¿O solo probarian que habia sistemas BUK ucranianos en las cercanias?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/22/ukraine-mh17-bodies-russia/12981325/
Ahora estan denunciando de que tanto la cabina como la cola fueron al parecer cortadas con sierras. Para sacar cuerpos, o para ocultar pruebas? Ya estan diciendo que el peritaje va a ser un quilombo con Q mayuscula.
Ahora estan denunciando de que tanto la cabina como la cola fueron al parecer cortadas con sierras. Para sacar cuerpos, o para ocultar pruebas? Ya estan diciendo que el peritaje va a ser un quilombo con Q mayuscula.
Sobre el derribo del avión Malasio: imágenes satélite de la zona de caida de los restos
La BBC británica y ABCnews han publicado imágenes con copyright de la agencia Reuters de la zona de caída de restos del avión malayo en la aldea de Grabove (Hrabove) .
La BBC británica y ABCnews han publicado imágenes con copyright de la agencia Reuters de la zona de caída de restos del avión malayo en la aldea de Grabove (Hrabove) .
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