¿Qué barco/s necesita la ARA?

Tenemos que ver barcos de apoyo primero para favorecer la industria nacional, fabrican con licencia y después diseños propios seria lo lógico, hay que modernizar todos los aspectos y no es fácil y lleva 20 años o mas

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Yo creo que en colaboración con otro astillero internacional, que ofrezca experiencia y obviamente el modelo a construir, tranquilamente podemos ir directamente por los reemplazos de los 360...
 
Así decían de los F-16 y hoy estamos en espera de la firma. En 15 días cambia la historia...

USA OFRECIO F-16 CON TODO LO QUE PODEMOS PAGAR...o no?

y no olvidar los 8x8 Stryker...

En materia de fragatas USA tiene los LCS clase FREEDOM en proceso de baja.

The Freedom variant​




of the U.S. Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) class is a high-speed, agile, shallow-draft and networked surface ship. The LCS 1 and follow-on ships (LCS 3, LCS 5, LCS 7, etc.) are open-ocean capable, but are designed to defeat growing littoral threats and provide access and dominance in the coastal water battlespace. A fast, maneuverable and networked surface combatant, LCS provides the required warfighting capabilities and operational flexibility to accomplish critical warfighting missions, including mine warfare, anti-submarine warfare and surface warfare with inherent capabilities that also support missions such as special operations and maritime interdiction.


The LCS delivers combat capability from core self-defense systems in concert with rapidly interchangeable, modular mission packages and an open architecture command and control system. The LCS aviation facilities and watercraft launch-and-recovery capability support focusedmission packages outfitted with both manned and unmanned air, surface, and sub-surface vehicles. Reconfigurable spaces and weapons modules provide support service interfaces between mission package weapons, sensors and vehicles and the seaframe. Modularity maximizes the flexibility of LCS and enables commanders to meet changing warfare needs, while also supporting faster, easier technological updates. The LCS will be networked to share tactical information with aircraft, ships, submarines, joint and coalition units both at sea and on shore, and with LCS operating groups.


The Rolls Royce MT30 gas turbines on the Freedom variant are the largest of any surface combatant in the U.S. Navy. The flight deck is larger than those on U.S. Navy guided missile frigates, destroyers, and cruisers.


Son modernos pero tienen sus inconvenientes:

The Navy has completed and tested the first fix for the complicated gearing system that has plagued the Freedom-class Littoral Combat Ships, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday told reporters on Wednesday.


In January, the Navy announced it would not take deliveries of the Lockheed Martin-built Freedom-class LCS until the class-wide issue with the under-engineered combining gear from German manufacturer RENK AG was repaired. The gear links the ships’ diesel engines and gas turbines. The determination followed two high-profile propulsion failures in USS Detroit (LCS-7) and USS Little Rock (LCS-9). In total, 13 ships required the repair to the gears.


“We held industry’s feet to the fire … We stopped delivery of these ships until we got this right. Reliability of LCS is our number one priority with respect to that ship class,” Gilday said.
“We really forced industry to go back to the drawing board with respect to the fidelity of the engineering work to do significant and rigorous shore side testing before we approve that final design that actually just got installed in the first ship.”


Navy officials said in August that Minneapolis-Saint Paul (LCS-21) had completed the initial repair of the combining gear in Escanaba. Mich., near Fincantieri Marinette Marine in Wisconsin.


“It’s a very complex fix to replace the bearings on the combining gear. It’s a very tight space. There’s a lot of interferences that have to be removed,” LCS deputy program manager Howard Berkof said in August.


The key to the 40-knot top speed of the Freedom class is the gearing system that combines the output of the ship’s Rolls Royce MT-30 gas turbines and its diesel engines. Without the gearing system operating as designed, the Freedom-class ships in commission can only operate on one type of engine at a much lower speed.


With Minneapolis-Saint Paul cleared to deliver to the Navy, Lockheed and RENK AG will continue to repair the ships under construction at Marinette Marine – Cooperstown (LCS-23), Marinette (LCS-25), Nantucket (LCS-27) and Beloit (LCS-29). The final Freedom-class ship, Cleveland (LCS-31), will be outfitted with a fully corrected combining gear, the Navy has said.


It’s unclear how the Navy will feather in the fix to the eight Freedom-class LCS with the RENK combining gear already in commission. The decommissioned Freedom (LCS-1) and USS Fort Worth (LCS-3) were designed with a different gearing mechanism built by U.S. company Philadelphia Gear.


Moving ahead, Gilday said the Freedom-class ships would move beyond their current missions in U.S. Southern Command to the Middle East and the Western Pacific.


“Our intent is to scale the LCS around the globe and to get as much as we can out of that platform,” he said. “We’re back fitting those ships with some significant weapon systems.”


Gilday said LCS were in use as part of the Global 14 exercise series currently underway at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I.


“They definitely played in a positive way in the game. I will say that LCS was designed to operate in shallower waters around archipelagos,” he said. “And that’s exactly how they played in the game and we found them very useful.”


In February 2020 it was announced that the Navy planned to retire Fort Worth and her sister ship Freedom after eight and twelve years of service respectively.[45] She was scheduled to be decommissioned 31 March 2021[46] As of April 2022, the ship is still active and in commission, and Congress has blocked the Navy from retiring the ship in Fiscal Year 2022.[47]
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Tenemos que ver barcos de apoyo primero para favover la industria nacional, fabrican con licencia y después diseños propios seria lo lógico, hay que modernizar todos los aspectos y no es facil y lleva 20 años o mas

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Se le daria Rio Santiago a ese astillero internacional y una lista de todos los buques a construir en 20 años.

Seria un laburo conjunto, quizás la primera nave debería ser construida en el país de origen del astillero, pero lo veo perfectamente posible y con trabajo por delante que lo ocupe durante años a RS...

Unas paginas atrás se mencionaba un ofrecimiento similar. Un modelo de negocio parecido. Y me parece que sería una buena solución y camino a seguir.

Lo importante, es que el contrato y el negocio lo maneje el astillero internacional. Y ponga el how know y el diseño.

Y acá tenemos la capacidad instalada y la mano de obra .
 
En materia de fragatas USA tiene los LCS clase FREEDOM en proceso de baja.

The Freedom variant​




of the U.S. Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) class is a high-speed, agile, shallow-draft and networked surface ship. The LCS 1 and follow-on ships (LCS 3, LCS 5, LCS 7, etc.) are open-ocean capable, but are designed to defeat growing littoral threats and provide access and dominance in the coastal water battlespace. A fast, maneuverable and networked surface combatant, LCS provides the required warfighting capabilities and operational flexibility to accomplish critical warfighting missions, including mine warfare, anti-submarine warfare and surface warfare with inherent capabilities that also support missions such as special operations and maritime interdiction.


The LCS delivers combat capability from core self-defense systems in concert with rapidly interchangeable, modular mission packages and an open architecture command and control system. The LCS aviation facilities and watercraft launch-and-recovery capability support focusedmission packages outfitted with both manned and unmanned air, surface, and sub-surface vehicles. Reconfigurable spaces and weapons modules provide support service interfaces between mission package weapons, sensors and vehicles and the seaframe. Modularity maximizes the flexibility of LCS and enables commanders to meet changing warfare needs, while also supporting faster, easier technological updates. The LCS will be networked to share tactical information with aircraft, ships, submarines, joint and coalition units both at sea and on shore, and with LCS operating groups.


The Rolls Royce MT30 gas turbines on the Freedom variant are the largest of any surface combatant in the U.S. Navy. The flight deck is larger than those on U.S. Navy guided missile frigates, destroyers, and cruisers.


Son modernos pero tienen sus inconvenientes:





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Es de lo que hablé anteriormente... se los sacan de encima casi nuevos por ser muy problemáticos... y hasta el año pasado (al menos) seguian fabricando nuevas unidades... son gente rara estos yanquis...

Ahora serían una opción interesante (suponiendo que a la ARA les interese) los LCS, si a futuro se piensa ir por la variante MMSC que le ofrecían a Grecia ... es decir tendrias en una unica familia una versión corbeta y otra Fragata, imagino que para lo que es la logística sería un gol mas aun teniendo la opción FMS.
 
si fue chiste no lo entendi
edit. Ahi busque que era un Ro-Ro, realmente se busca algo de ese estilo? no un carguero mas pequeño como los Costa Sur, me parece mucha la diferencia
Es sólo mi opinión aclaro... hay distintos tipos y diseños, no son buques caros, pues básicamente son cascos civiles, este es muy interesante...



Pensa que es un buque de carga, no son ni LPD ni LST... vas a encontrar algunos que son verdaderas bestias, y otros que que en tamaño se equiparan o apenas superan a los Costa Sur...
 
Es sólo mi opinión aclaro... hay distintos tipos y diseños, no son buques caros, pues básicamente son cascos civiles, este es muy interesante...



Pensa que es un buque de carga, no son ni LPD ni LST... vas a encontrar algunos que son verdaderas bestias, y otros que que en tamaño se equiparan o apenas superan a los Costa Sur...
yo hubiera pensado que serian mas caros de adquirir, respecto a las capacidades de los Costa Sur, no he encontrado las capacidades de carga justamente, solo el desplazamiento máximo7 o similares datos.
A opinión mía, no seria mejor otro carguero multipropósito como los Costa Sur en lugar de un Ro-Ro
 
-Miren con cariño a las FFG Clase Brandenburgo (Tipo 123) en la resiente visita de
autoridades Alemanas a la Argentina habría estado sobre la mesa la oferta por estos
buques que pronto causaran baja en la Marina Alemana





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Pronto se van de baja? pero si las están actualizando, son lindos buques, pero no creo que vean la baja por lo pronto, me encantaría que vinieran las 4 de la clase y las Meko 360 se van a la baja, pero hasta que no comiencen a recibir las F126 no creo que las liberen
 
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