Novo BVRAAM para a SAAF?

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Interesante desarrollo y aunque la nota indica que se trata de un derivado de un SAM naval, hay que ver si el mercado interno y externo justifica el desarrollo de tal misil a cuenta que la SAAF sólo dispondrá de 28 Gripen's y que para la exportación ya hay varias alternativas (AIM-120, Derby, AA-12, PL-12, Meteor, etc).
 

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Parece que as notícias de que não conseguiram integrar o R-Darter no Gripen é verdadeira.... :eek:

spirit666 dijo:
Interesante desarrollo y aunque la nota indica que se trata de un derivado de un SAM naval, hay que ver si el mercado interno y externo justifica el desarrollo de tal misil a cuenta que la SAAF sólo dispondrá de 28 Gripen's y que para la exportación ya hay varias alternativas (AIM-120, Derby, AA-12, PL-12, Meteor, etc).

O jornalista não teria confundido com a versão do Umkhonto com radar ativo?



O novo BVR utilizaria sistemas do Umkhonto com o TVC que também serão usados pelo A-Darter.


TVC do A-Darter.


De todo caso acho melhor a Africa do Sul participar da finalização e produção do Meteor.
 
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depende para cuando quieran....no seria mas negocio meterse con uds a la version ramjet con componentes del Umkhonto?
 

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SnAkE_OnE dijo:
depende para cuando quieran....no seria mas negocio meterse con uds a la version ramjet con componentes del Umkhonto?

Eles precisam de um novo BVR para 2010, muito pouco tempo.


Por mais que eu goste de um míssil BVR *******, primeiro eu gostaria de terminar o A-Darter e não sei como anda as pesquisas de motores ramjet na Africa do Sul, o nosso vai fazer o primeiro teste no segundo semestre de 2007.

Se for para fazer uma nova parceria com a Denel eu prefiro participar da Umbani.
 
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Umbani o Raptor II ;)

igual es poco tiempo...el Meteor viene muy demorado , es un tema muy complejo...van a terminar cayendo en Mica o AMRAAM recien en 2009 llegaria el D para USAF y la USN , asi que imagino que habria un tiempo mas importante , otra cosa no se me ocurre

quiere fabricar uds el A-Darter ademas del Ramjet?
 

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SnAkE_OnE dijo:
Umbani o Raptor II ;)



Prefiro a Umbani ;)

igual es poco tiempo...el Meteor viene muy demorado , es un tema muy complejo...van a terminar cayendo en Mica o AMRAAM recien en 2009 llegaria el D para USAF y la USN , asi que imagino que habria un tiempo mas importante , otra cosa no se me ocurre

quiere fabricar uds el A-Darter ademas del Ramjet?

Não sei, o primeiro míssil brasileiro com ramjet deve ser uma nova versão do MAR-1 ou o MAN-1.
 
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MAN-1 cual es? el ASM?

imagino que si el ramjet para el MAR-1 , el alcance que llegue a leer es poco


Umbani...Mokopa...Raptor II...Darter...tantas cosas lindas
 

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SnAkE_OnE dijo:
MAN-1 cual es? el ASM?

imagino que si el ramjet para el MAR-1 , el alcance que llegue a leer es poco

O MAN-1 é um míssil anti-buque de longo alcance que a FAB está desenvolvendo, porém não tenho informações sobre alcance e sistema de guiagem.

Umbani...Mokopa...Raptor II...Darter...tantas cosas lindas

Com certeza :cool:...porém esses juguetes sulafricanos são muito caros.
 
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SnAkE_OnE

haces un intercambio de tech...y listo , a la larga te sale mas barata , empezas con proyectos conjuntos para abaratar costos ;)
 

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SnAkE_OnE dijo:
haces un intercambio de tech...y listo , a la larga te sale mas barata , empezas con proyectos conjuntos para abaratar costos ;)

Exactamente. No quieren participar con nosotros? Lo A-4AR con A-Darter me quedaría lindo :cool:
 
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con un Dash estarian muy bien , ni hablar del Kit Umbani y de ser modernizado y bien....el Mokopa en Helicopteros y el IA-58 Pucara :D
 

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Denel conceptualises new missile
BY LEON ENGELBRECHT , ITWEB SENIOR WRITER

[ Johannesburg, 14 April 2008 ] - Denel Dynamics, the smart weapons division of the state arms maker, is conceptualising a new high-performance radar-guided missile that, if it comes to fruition, will provide SA's fleet of Gripen advanced light fighter aircraft its main punch.

The advanced weapon will also have substantial export potential and could gain the country billions of rand in foreign exchange in addition to boosting the local ICT skills and know-how base.

The missile is known as the T Darter and is being designed to replace the R Darter (Radar Darter) currently in service with the SA Air Force (SAAF), where it is known as the V4. Cabinet, in 2003, decided to retire the V4 when the Cheetah fighter jet was withdrawn from service as the missile contained Israeli technology and required continued assistance from that country to remain operational.

Denel Dynamics CEO Jan Wessels says the T Darter will join their A Darter, currently under joint development with Brazil, under the wings of the Gripen, which has just started entering service with the SAAF. Last month SAAF started phasing out the Cheetah and the V4.

SA is the only member of the Non-Aligned Movement, other than India, that can design and build missiles in this class, called the beyond visual range category in military circles.

“T Darter is a concept radar-guided missile,” Wessels says. “We are [proposing to use] some of our existing technologies and [are] looking for partners for the rest. We will typically provide the nose of this missile, which is the radar and are looking for a partner for the ‘back end',” he says.

Other than the radar, the ‘front end' also includes a number of proprietary processors that guide the weapon to its intended target at ranges that can extend to over 60km – the striking distance of the V4.

“Our next product is the A Darter, also an air-to-air missile. It is a co-development project between South Africa and Brazil. Engineers from both countries are working together on the project on Denel Dynamics' premises (at Irene, just south of Pretoria).”

Wessels says, although Denel Dynamics is an anomaly as a result of the politics of the 1970s, it represents a unique high-end ICT capability.

“Many other countries want to be in this position, but don't have the proven capability. We have the proven capability, but don't always have the market or need,” he says of the company and its product range that includes various types of missiles, smart bombs and robotic aircraft. “Our strategy is to find a match between that capability and the market.”

He adds that other than strategic imperatives, such as security of supply, the national investment in missilery has spin-off for the broader economy. Wessels says such programmes “develop technologies for SA that go beyond just the product.

It is an enabler for a whole sphere of technology and country capabilities in fields as diverse as design and simulation software, fine mechanics, electronics, aerodynamics, electro-optics, inertial sensing, drivers and controls.

“A few years ago testing was time consuming, expensive and involved extensive test flights. Now you only use a few flight tests as spot checks to make sure your simulation model is good,” Wessels says. “That way you no longer have to test as many missiles in the past.”

“If you look at the Umkhonto [a surface-to [air missile developed for the SA Navy], we probably tested ten, 15 missiles; the Americans 10 years ago would have tested 100, 150 before considering the tests as done,” Wessels explains.

“When you don't have money you learn some tricks,” he says wryly.


http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/bus...PTOP&S=Defence and Aerospace Technology&A=DFN

:yonofui:
 
Siempre me pregunte como Sudafrica puede desarrollar tantos sistemas "autoctonos" (agarro con pinzas a esa denominacion) principalmente para un uso interno, y para exportar secunadariamente, y no teniendo unas FFAA tan numerosas, y nosotros (Arg) no nos hacercamos ni a las rodillas de la Denel?

Indignados saludos, MiG
 

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MiG-25 dijo:
Siempre me pregunte como Sudafrica puede desarrollar tantos sistemas "autoctonos" (agarro con pinzas a esa denominacion) principalmente para un uso interno, y para exportar secunadariamente, y no teniendo unas FFAA tan numerosas, y nosotros (Arg) no nos hacercamos ni a las rodillas de la Denel?

Indignados saludos, MiG

Africa del Sur desarrolló su industria bélica por falta de opción, ya que estaba en guerra contra un pais mejor armado (Angola) que tenía el apoyo de uno potencia (URSS) y como estaba sobre embargo de armas debe que desarrollar sus propias solución. (Con uno pequeña ayuda de Israel)
 
desarrollar sus propias solución. (Con uno pequeña ayuda de Israel)
Por eso dije que lo tomaba con pizas.

Yo me referia a que como Argentina siemdo un pais con una capacidad tecnica avanzada, teniendo un envargo (porque lo tenemos), y a un vecino que es una potencia, no genera una politica de desarrollo "autoctono" (pizas otra vez) de sistemas de combate. Sudafrica desarrollo su indurtria rapidamente puesto que los tiempos se lo exigian, nosotros en cambio, nos damos el lujo de tomarnos un tiempo antes realizar tal desarrollo (y peor aun, le estamos dando a esa potencia 26 años de ventaja).

Inconsolables saludos, MiG:(
 

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ramirothehero dijo:
Hay 3 paises que la Argentina debe seguir muy cercanamente: Taiwan, Israel, Sud Africa y Brasil.

Si hablamos de integracion. El bicho esta entre estas.


No me cierra la matematica che:yonofui:
 
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