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el video ya lo habia visto...alguien sabe como se dice "se salvo de pedo" en frances?
No se pero desnudo se dice: "Se la vi" :biggrinjester:
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No se pero desnudo se dice: "Se la vi" :biggrinjester:
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Thales Starts Low-Rate Output of AESA Radar
By pierre tran
Published: 3 Nov 11:35 EST (16:35 GMT)
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Paris - A new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar from Thales has entered low-rate initial production, with a delivery for the Rafale fighter aircraft scheduled for 2010, said Pierre-Yves Chaltiel, senior vice president in the Airborne Systems Division.
"This capability has ended the development phase and has entered production," Chaltiel told journalists Nov. 3. A follow-on contract for full-scale production of the AESA RBE2 radar is due to be signed in 2009 as part of the fourth tranche order of 60 Rafales, he said.
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"Final validation of the software functions is expected to end in the first quarter of 2010 with the delivery of AESA radars to Dassault," Thales said in a statement.
The full production contract would be worth "several hundred million euros," Chaltiel said.
The first production batch consists of three to four units of the AESA radar and is part of a development contract worth more than 200 million euros ($257 million) signed in 2006 with the Délégation Générale pour l'Armement procurement office under the Rafale Roadmap plan.
The Roadmap program was intended to speed up development of the AESA sensor and deliver self-protection gear to make the Rafale from Dassault Aviation more attractive in export markets. Accelerated delivery of an AESA radar was France's response to the loss of a fighter competition in Singapore to Boeing's F-15 Eagle combat jet.
The Rafale currently uses a passive array antenna for air-to-air and air-to-ground use. Once equipped with the active antenna, the Rafale would have a five-year technology lead over European competition aircraft, Chaltiel said.
Test and evaluation by French and foreign air forces showed as recently as last month the radar's capabilities, which include collaborative fire between two Rafales using a Link 16 connection, he said.
Chaltiel also is head of a newly created division, Aerospace Solutions for Government, which deals with military contracts
By pierre tran
Published: 3 Nov 11:35 EST (16:35 GMT)
Print Print | Print Email
Paris - A new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar from Thales has entered low-rate initial production, with a delivery for the Rafale fighter aircraft scheduled for 2010, said Pierre-Yves Chaltiel, senior vice president in the Airborne Systems Division.
"This capability has ended the development phase and has entered production," Chaltiel told journalists Nov. 3. A follow-on contract for full-scale production of the AESA RBE2 radar is due to be signed in 2009 as part of the fourth tranche order of 60 Rafales, he said.
Related Topics
* Europe
* Air Warfare
"Final validation of the software functions is expected to end in the first quarter of 2010 with the delivery of AESA radars to Dassault," Thales said in a statement.
The full production contract would be worth "several hundred million euros," Chaltiel said.
The first production batch consists of three to four units of the AESA radar and is part of a development contract worth more than 200 million euros ($257 million) signed in 2006 with the Délégation Générale pour l'Armement procurement office under the Rafale Roadmap plan.
The Roadmap program was intended to speed up development of the AESA sensor and deliver self-protection gear to make the Rafale from Dassault Aviation more attractive in export markets. Accelerated delivery of an AESA radar was France's response to the loss of a fighter competition in Singapore to Boeing's F-15 Eagle combat jet.
The Rafale currently uses a passive array antenna for air-to-air and air-to-ground use. Once equipped with the active antenna, the Rafale would have a five-year technology lead over European competition aircraft, Chaltiel said.
Test and evaluation by French and foreign air forces showed as recently as last month the radar's capabilities, which include collaborative fire between two Rafales using a Link 16 connection, he said.
Chaltiel also is head of a newly created division, Aerospace Solutions for Government, which deals with military contracts
trans ferencias technologicas casi totales del rafale a los indios
France Clears Technology Transfer for Rafale Fighter: Dassault
(Source: Indo Asian News Service; issued Nov. 5, 2008)
PARIS --- The French government has cleared the full transfer of technology for the Rafale combat jet that is one of the six aircraft in contention for an Indian Air Force (IAF) order for 126 fighters in a deal worth USD 10 billion, its manufacturer Dassault Aviation says.
"When we talk about technology transfer, we mean full technology transfer and not in bits and pieces," J.P.H.P. Chabriol, Dassault's senior vice president for military sales, told a group of visiting Indian journalists at the company's headquarters here.
"The way we work, we first have to obtain clearance of the government before putting in our proposal. If we win the order, we can begin work on transferring technology from day one - unlike our competition," he added.
The technology transfer would include that of a cutting edge radar that gives the Rafale the ability to also function as a close battlefield support airborne warning and control system (AWACS), Chabriol maintained, adding that the software source code would also be provided with the equipment.
The Advanced Extended Search Array (AESA) radar that Dassault is offering is still under development by French aerospace giant Thales, a partner in the Rafale project, and is expected to be integrated with the aircraft by 2012, around which time the IAF is expected to narrow down its choice of aircraft.
"We have full faith in the competency of Thales to deliver a top of the line AESA radar," Chabriol added.
Transfer of technology is a key clause in the Defence Policy-2006 (DPP-2006) that governs India's purchases of military hardware. Two other companies in the fray - Boeing and European conglomerate Eurofighter - are also offering an AESA radar with their F/A-18 Super Hornet and Typhoon respectively but say the transfer of this technology would be dependent to the extent the American government permits as the radar's manufacturer is US electronics giant Raytheon.
At least one of these two companies has said they would definitely not transfer the software source code that enables the programming of the radar. What this means is that the IAF would have to specify the mission parameters to enable the manufacturer configure the radar.
Defence analysts point out that this could seriously compromise India's national security as the IAF would not be able to re-programme the radar should it wish to at a later stage.
"This is not an issue with us. We will not only fully transfer the technology for the AESA radar but also provide the software source code so that that the IAF can programme it in the way it wishes to," Chabriol told IANS in response to a specific query.
Apart from the Rafale, the F/A-18 and the Typhoon, the other aircraft in the fray are the Lockheed Martin F-16, the Saab Grippen and the MiG-35, which is essentially an upgraded version of the MiG-29 that the IAF already operates.
The IAF had floated its global tender for the jets in September 2007 and these were opened earlier this year. The technical bids are currently being evaluated after which all the six aircraft will be put through a rigorous testing process in Bangalore, Jaisalmer and Leh.
The first is meant to gauge the aircraft's ability to operate in the humid conditions of south, the second their effectiveness in the deserts of Rajasthan and the third to study their suitability in the icy Himalayan heights of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir.
By the time the evaluation process is complete, the size of the order is likely to rise to around 200 jets, as the IAF, which is down to 32 squadrons from a high of 39-1/2, is expected to see a further depletion of its fleet due to the retirement of some its ageing Soviet-era MiG-21 aircraft. The IAF has a sanctioned strength of 45 squadrons.
Chabriol also pointed out that being 100 percent French gave Dassault a distinct edge over its competitors on the technology transfer issue.
"The Gripen is powered by a US engine and has other US components too. Similar is the case with the Eurofighter, which has quite a few American parts. So, they would have to first seek the US government's approval. In the case of the F-18, approval would have to be sought not only of the government but also of parliament (the US Congress).
"This legislative approval is not an issue in our case," Chabriol added.
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ejem 280+ 60 +120 .... a ver si ese ****** baja los precios del rafale ... lo veo duro que le ganen al mig 35 hecho en india
suiza tomo 60h para evaluar el rafale contra 39 para el gripen ....lo que es tener chiches en el avión :biggrinjester:
edit dije lo contrario de lo que queria decir :biggrinjester:
France Clears Technology Transfer for Rafale Fighter: Dassault
(Source: Indo Asian News Service; issued Nov. 5, 2008)
PARIS --- The French government has cleared the full transfer of technology for the Rafale combat jet that is one of the six aircraft in contention for an Indian Air Force (IAF) order for 126 fighters in a deal worth USD 10 billion, its manufacturer Dassault Aviation says.
"When we talk about technology transfer, we mean full technology transfer and not in bits and pieces," J.P.H.P. Chabriol, Dassault's senior vice president for military sales, told a group of visiting Indian journalists at the company's headquarters here.
"The way we work, we first have to obtain clearance of the government before putting in our proposal. If we win the order, we can begin work on transferring technology from day one - unlike our competition," he added.
The technology transfer would include that of a cutting edge radar that gives the Rafale the ability to also function as a close battlefield support airborne warning and control system (AWACS), Chabriol maintained, adding that the software source code would also be provided with the equipment.
The Advanced Extended Search Array (AESA) radar that Dassault is offering is still under development by French aerospace giant Thales, a partner in the Rafale project, and is expected to be integrated with the aircraft by 2012, around which time the IAF is expected to narrow down its choice of aircraft.
"We have full faith in the competency of Thales to deliver a top of the line AESA radar," Chabriol added.
Transfer of technology is a key clause in the Defence Policy-2006 (DPP-2006) that governs India's purchases of military hardware. Two other companies in the fray - Boeing and European conglomerate Eurofighter - are also offering an AESA radar with their F/A-18 Super Hornet and Typhoon respectively but say the transfer of this technology would be dependent to the extent the American government permits as the radar's manufacturer is US electronics giant Raytheon.
At least one of these two companies has said they would definitely not transfer the software source code that enables the programming of the radar. What this means is that the IAF would have to specify the mission parameters to enable the manufacturer configure the radar.
Defence analysts point out that this could seriously compromise India's national security as the IAF would not be able to re-programme the radar should it wish to at a later stage.
"This is not an issue with us. We will not only fully transfer the technology for the AESA radar but also provide the software source code so that that the IAF can programme it in the way it wishes to," Chabriol told IANS in response to a specific query.
Apart from the Rafale, the F/A-18 and the Typhoon, the other aircraft in the fray are the Lockheed Martin F-16, the Saab Grippen and the MiG-35, which is essentially an upgraded version of the MiG-29 that the IAF already operates.
The IAF had floated its global tender for the jets in September 2007 and these were opened earlier this year. The technical bids are currently being evaluated after which all the six aircraft will be put through a rigorous testing process in Bangalore, Jaisalmer and Leh.
The first is meant to gauge the aircraft's ability to operate in the humid conditions of south, the second their effectiveness in the deserts of Rajasthan and the third to study their suitability in the icy Himalayan heights of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir.
By the time the evaluation process is complete, the size of the order is likely to rise to around 200 jets, as the IAF, which is down to 32 squadrons from a high of 39-1/2, is expected to see a further depletion of its fleet due to the retirement of some its ageing Soviet-era MiG-21 aircraft. The IAF has a sanctioned strength of 45 squadrons.
Chabriol also pointed out that being 100 percent French gave Dassault a distinct edge over its competitors on the technology transfer issue.
"The Gripen is powered by a US engine and has other US components too. Similar is the case with the Eurofighter, which has quite a few American parts. So, they would have to first seek the US government's approval. In the case of the F-18, approval would have to be sought not only of the government but also of parliament (the US Congress).
"This legislative approval is not an issue in our case," Chabriol added.
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ejem 280+ 60 +120 .... a ver si ese ****** baja los precios del rafale ... lo veo duro que le ganen al mig 35 hecho en india
suiza tomo 60h para evaluar el rafale contra 39 para el gripen ....lo que es tener chiches en el avión :biggrinjester:
edit dije lo contrario de lo que queria decir :biggrinjester:
Aun asi, ahora diran que el Rafale sigue siendo frances y bla, bla, bla....:banghead::sifone:
Saludos
Saludos
si te ponen fabricas de rafale en india y brasil, auque sean solo por partes del avion, los precios del rafale se pondran mas accesibles ... mejor con acceso al radar ilimitado nada impide que le pongan R77 a los rafale :drool5: Lo que te gastas en radar te lo ahorras en misiles (ya pusieros r73 a los m2000!)
Wolf
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No, si el problema no es Francia Super, es Dassault, si todo lo que estamos viendo tiene exito y el Rafale entra en IOC con el sera EL caza Europeo dejando al Typhoon muy atras, AESA es el nombre del juego, bien por el Rafale!.
Saludos
Wolf solo lo dije por jorobar...:sifone:
Ahora hablando mas en serio, Francia (o debo decir Sarkozy?
) se esta poniendo muy agresiva y muy astuta...El siguiente parrafo es muy interesante de analizar:
No solo por lo que dice sino ademas por cuando lo dice. No se si se levanto una noticia en el foro (al menos yo no lo recuerdo) sobre la venta del Typhoon a Arabia Saudita, y el tema es que UK se encontro con un pequeño problemita: como componentes del Typhoon son made in USA la susodicha venta esta "en veremos" puesto que hasta el momento USA no autorizo la transferencia tecnologica inplicada en esos componentes para Arabia Saudita. Todos los analistas coinciden en que mas temprano que tarde USA lo hara pero tambien han tomado nota que el Typhoon (y el Gripen) siendo productos "europeos" (y debo recalcar las comillas) en ultima instancia requieren de la autorizacion de USA. Y Francia esta sacando "fortalezas de debilidades", siempre se ha criticado la politica francesa al respecto (y este foro es una buena muestra de ello) pero finalmente ha demostrado ser la politica correcta: hoy en Europa hay UN SOLO PAIS TECNOLOGICAMENTE INDEPENDIENTE....y es Francia.
Y ni hablemos de lo que parece ser la nueva "modalidad" comercial francesa tambien muy agresiva y astuta que parece estar probando en el caso de Brasil e India.
Saludos
Wolf
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Francia
Super, poniendo en claro que el Rafale es una de mis naves preferidas (aca algo se ofrecio no se si leiste que lo puse por ahi, con lo de FX2) quiero precisarte un par de cosas sobre el texto que citas.
Sobre los Typhoons para los Saudies no existe problemas de visto bueno de USA, de heho el primero de ellos ya esta volando, puse un par de pics por ahi, las entregas comienzan el proximo año.
Y sobre el Rafale, hay empresas "no francesas" en el desarrollo precisamente del radar AESA para el Rafale, no es 100% Frances, y de hecho se esta pensando en cambiar parte de la arquitectura para dejarlo "semi" abierto para darle un impulso mas comercial y ofrecer como "accesorios" otras mejoras, es lo que puedo contar de lo que se ofrecio aca en un foro abierto. Pero aun no es barato, pero para mi eso es secundario si las prestaciones lo ameritan.
Saludos totales
Wolf solo lo dije por jorobar...:sifone:
Ahora hablando mas en serio, Francia (o debo decir Sarkozy?
El siguiente parrafo es muy interesante de analizar:
No solo por lo que dice sino ademas por cuando lo dice. No se si se levanto una noticia en el foro (al menos yo no lo recuerdo) sobre la venta del Typhoon a Arabia Saudita, y el tema es que UK se encontro con un pequeño problemita: como componentes del Typhoon son made in USA la susodicha venta esta "en veremos" puesto que hasta el momento USA no autorizo la transferencia tecnologica inplicada en esos componentes para Arabia Saudita. Todos los analistas coinciden en que mas temprano que tarde USA lo hara pero tambien han tomado nota que el Typhoon (y el Gripen) siendo productos "europeos" (y debo recalcar las comillas) en ultima instancia requieren de la autorizacion de USA. Y Francia esta sacando "fortalezas de debilidades", siempre se ha criticado la politica francesa al respecto (y este foro es una buena muestra de ello) pero finalmente ha demostrado ser la politica correcta: hoy en Europa hay UN SOLO PAIS TECNOLOGICAMENTE INDEPENDIENTE....y es Francia.
Y ni hablemos de lo que parece ser la nueva "modalidad" comercial francesa tambien muy agresiva y astuta que parece estar probando en el caso de Brasil e India.
Saludos
Super, poniendo en claro que el Rafale es una de mis naves preferidas (aca algo se ofrecio no se si leiste que lo puse por ahi, con lo de FX2) quiero precisarte un par de cosas sobre el texto que citas.
Sobre los Typhoons para los Saudies no existe problemas de visto bueno de USA, de heho el primero de ellos ya esta volando, puse un par de pics por ahi, las entregas comienzan el proximo año.
Y sobre el Rafale, hay empresas "no francesas" en el desarrollo precisamente del radar AESA para el Rafale, no es 100% Frances, y de hecho se esta pensando en cambiar parte de la arquitectura para dejarlo "semi" abierto para darle un impulso mas comercial y ofrecer como "accesorios" otras mejoras, es lo que puedo contar de lo que se ofrecio aca en un foro abierto. Pero aun no es barato, pero para mi eso es secundario si las prestaciones lo ameritan.
Saludos totales
Usted lo a dicho amigo Wolf, si el producto es bueno, el precio es lo de menos!... y lo que dice no quita que es Rafale es conseptualmente Frances... y el hecho que ahora se esta ofreciendo con "chiches importados" es mas que nada para hacerlo atractivo al mercado exterior... y para hacerlo mas flexible tambien.... que quieren que les diga, si la noticia de la trasnferencia al 100% es verdad , mas lo sumado del AESA... creo que el Rafale tiene todas las de ganar ... tanto en Brasil como en India...
los Franceses parece que no tienen terminos medios... o no te dan nada ... o te dan todo!!! quien los entiende??? jejejej
los Franceses parece que no tienen terminos medios... o no te dan nada ... o te dan todo!!! quien los entiende??? jejejej
Ayer en HC vi un video de como un F-22 era capaz de derribar a un Rafale,nose si estaba todo hecho a favor del F-22,primeno lo tenia en la mira el Rafale y le disparo un misil(deberia ser un Mica pero en el video parecia mas un meteors..) y el F-22 con sus bengalas lo evadio,pero en un momento el F-22 hizo la 'la cobra', entonces si es una maniobra de combate,el Rafale paso por abajo disparo un AIM-9X y al diablo con el Rafale.
Es una simulacion entre pilotos de ambos paises,pero lo loco de esto es que el Rafale llego a tenerlo a tiro(y con un buen angulo) pero el misil fallo o el F-22 es demasiado bueno evadiendolos,o la firma infrarroja tal vez era demasiado debil,en fin aunque no me guste el F-22 es una bestia,saludos
Es una simulacion entre pilotos de ambos paises,pero lo loco de esto es que el Rafale llego a tenerlo a tiro(y con un buen angulo) pero el misil fallo o el F-22 es demasiado bueno evadiendolos,o la firma infrarroja tal vez era demasiado debil,en fin aunque no me guste el F-22 es una bestia,saludos
Y no solo lo bueno del producto, sino tambien la posibilidad de meterle mano y agregarle chiches extra. Eso tiene su precio, por lo que hace un poco mas justificable el pagar un avión mas caro.
Exacto, y si bien Sarkozky puede impulsar lo que quiera, la palabra final es de AMD, y eso no es tan sencillo... Ya se sabe... :svengo:
Y estan seguros que el Rafale no tiene componentes made in USA??? :yonofui:
y que seria made in USA??
La independencia si; la ****** es que es solo un avión Francés, tendría que ser un avión europeo y de los europeos del continente (sin los Ingleses y o los Irlandeses) a 100%.
El EFA termino europeo a 90% por única y exclusiva culpa de los Ingleses ... son un dolor de mate esos tipos... en esa época estaban en eads con bae ahora no están mas. Una vez ya basta franca hará todo lo posible para que no se metan en proyectos conjuntos con ellos y los Alemanes por mas pro otan que sean se dieron cuenta que es un mal negocio.
El EFA termino europeo a 90% por única y exclusiva culpa de los Ingleses ... son un dolor de mate esos tipos... en esa época estaban en eads con bae ahora no están mas. Una vez ya basta franca hará todo lo posible para que no se metan en proyectos conjuntos con ellos y los Alemanes por mas pro otan que sean se dieron cuenta que es un mal negocio.
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