Club del (Super) Hornet.

Como me gustarían para el COAN y la FAA. Pregunta, van a tener velocidad super crucero y toberas vectoriales? Se les puede realizar ese pedido a la fabrica?

El supuesto radio de acción y cantidad de armamento que podría portar?

Para que? Con los motores F414 mejorados, con 3 veces mas vida util, un 25% mas de potencia, y un 15% menos de consumo, no necesitas nada mas. Actualmente el Rhino tiene unas de las mejores capacidades de maniobra High Alpha existentes en la actualidad, y con esa potencia mucho mejor.

La capacidad maxima seria la misma que el Rhino, unos 9000 kg, y el alcance, mucho... Ni idea...

Abrazo
 
Lo que es la tecnologia, avanza a un ritmo despiadado. Mientras nosotros seguimos con Deltas, que inteligente que somos.


Saludos.


Fer.

como que no somos inteligentes? los Deltas son inmunes al sistema de alerta radar del este nuevo F18... jajaja no los van a ver en pasivo.

Pensar que para ellos la ventaja de lanzar misiles con el radar sin emitir seria tremenda ventaja, total tienen los AWACS que ven todo y se lo transmiten por datalink -.-, lanzar misiles bvr usando el mismo radar del enemigo mientras el tuyo esta apagado es tremendo.
 
Como la maqueta del IAR-95 puede terminar :yonofui:

Si, se ve lo que sabes de aviacion militar... Comparar un caza que va por su tercera gen, del fabricante de aviones mas grande del mundo, con una maqueta rumana... :svengo:

Andaaaaaaaaa......:leaving:
 

Landa

Als Ich Kan
Era un chiste, Mario... También podría terminar como el F-15SE, que por mas verde que esté, no se sabe el verdadero alcance del proyecto...


Nada sabemos, pero USA se caracterizó por poner muchos millones en cosas que no tuvieron éxito alguno... así como tantas maravillas que le salieron bárbaras.
 
Era un chiste, Mario... También podría terminar como el F-15SE, que por mas verde que esté, no se sabe el verdadero alcance del proyecto...

Nada sabemos, pero USA se caracterizó por poner muchos millones en cosas que no tuvieron éxito alguno... así como tantas maravillas que le salieron bárbaras.

Del Silent Eagle la electronica y el sistema de gestion ya se esta usando, asi como algunos nuevos materiales que se estan cambiando en las alas el redomo, asi como la nueva pintura en los F-15 de la USAF...

Con respecto al Block III, todo esta hecho, solo falta el pedido inicial. Se habla de al menos 40 aparatos para lanzar la nueva serie...

Con respecto a los que no salieron bien, la gran mayoria se cago por politica, no por capacidad tecnica...
 

Juanma

Colaborador
Colaborador
como que no somos inteligentes? los Deltas son inmunes al sistema de alerta radar del este nuevo F18... jajaja no los van a ver en pasivo.

Pensar que para ellos la ventaja de lanzar misiles con el radar sin emitir seria tremenda ventaja, total tienen los AWACS que ven todo y se lo transmiten por datalink -.-, lanzar misiles bvr usando el mismo radar del enemigo mientras el tuyo esta apagado es tremendo.

Magic no siempre es tanto como te pueden hacer creer

"Bros,

I’m finally back in England after being TDY since the end of January, at least for two weeks anyway. Got sent direct to Cervia AB, Italy, from Operation Northern Watch in Turkey after being at the Incirlik AB for over 7 weeks (“Luv the ‘Lik no mo’!”). My house and yard are a total mess!

There doesn’t seem to be an end in sight in the Kosovo situation, but the war
is over for me for a while. Some of you probably already heard through the
grapevine about what happened to “Boomer” M. and me. Here’s the
proverbial “rest of the story.”

MEET THE MIG
Boomer and I were tasked as Bosnia-Herzgovinia DCA on 26 Mar, vul time from 1500Z to 1900Z. We were established on CAP over Tuzla for about an hour after initial refueling. At 1602Z, while eastbound approaching the Bosnian-Yugoslav border, I got a radar contact 37 nm to the east, 6K’, beaming south at over 600 kts.

Of course, AWACS had no clue and did not have any inkling [that] someone was flying on the other side of border (although he was really good at calling out every single friendly WEST of us!). I called out the contact and Boomer locked [on] same. Without an ID and not tactically sound to cross the border at the time, I elected to pump our formation in a right-hand turn
through south and called, “Push it up, burner, tapes on!” (we were initially flying 0.85M, 28K’) and rolled out heading west/southwest. At that time, I didn’t think anything much would happen. I figured the contact would probably continue south or turn east and remain well on the eastern side of the border. Nevertheless, I called the flight lead of the southern CAP over
Sarajevo and gave him a craniums-up on the posit of contact, altitude and the heading. This entire time, AWACS still had no radar contact, even after I called it out on the radio. Man, running away with the contact at our six o’clock with AWACS not having any clue was NOT comfortable! Boomer and I continued west for a total of 60 sec. (about 10 nm) before I directed
the formation to turn back hot, again turning through south in an attempt to get some cut-off. Boomer was on the north side of the formation (left side as we rolled out heading east). We both got contact BRAA 070 for 37 NM, 23K’, target now heading west (hot towards us). AWACS finally woke up and starting seeing the same thing. Now, I’m starting to think, “##### is gonna
happen” (as evidenced by the increase of about two octaves in my voice!). It was fairly obvious that these guys originated from FRY and there were no OCA missions at the time. Checked AAI for friendly squawk: nobody home! We still needed to get clearance from AWACS to engage, so I requested (codeword) and got no reply from the controller (pretty sure he had no freakin’ clue what that codeword meant!). About this time, both Boomer and I got good ID on the target in our own cockpit and, with threat hot towards us inside 30 nm, decided to blow off the AWACS/clearance-to-engage restriction and go for it! Target was now inside 30 nm, and I directed Boomer to target the single group. I broke lock and went back to search in
40-nm scope and 120 sweep. The target check turns towards northwest (about 14L aspect) and descends to high teens. Boomer and I checked about 30¡ left to northeast for cutoff. This check turn slung me aft in the formation, so I stroke it up to full AB to get more line abreast. I called “Combat 1, arm hot” and saw Boomer’s wing tanks come off with bright flames under the wing. Pretty impressive! I was well over the Mach when I punched my tanks off, and the jet jumped up abruptly (you can see it in the HUD). Took a quick look back to see if my stabs were still intact, rolled my elevation coverage looking from about 5K’ to 21K’ and — no kidding — stay in search for at least one full frame (believe me, I wanted to go back to single-target track
SO DAMN BAD!). AWACS started calling out two contacts, lead trail. Sure enough, I was starting to see the break out on my scope! At about 20 nm, Boomer called “Fox 3, 18K’!” I saw the cons/smoke coming from his jet and thought, “Sonofabitch! I gotta get me some!” I commanded miniraster on the leader and, as soon as the radar locks (about 17 nm), immediately thumb forward to HDTWS. My first shot came off inside 16 nm from the leader. When I pressed the pickle button, it seemed like an eternity before the missile actually launched, but when it did — WOW! I have never shot an AMRAAM or AIM-7 before at WSEP (and I don’t think I have a chance in hell of shooting more missiles at WSEP after this!). The missile came off
with such a loud roar/whoosh, I not only heard it clearly in the cockpit above the wind noise, radio comm, ear plug and helmet, but I actually felt the rocket motor roar! In the HUD, you can see the flames shooting out from the tail end of the missile, and the smoke and cons following it! Stepped immediately to the trailer in HDTWS and pressed and held the pickle button
for at least 3 seconds — again, thinking, “Come on, dammit! Launch!” The second missile came off just as impressive as the first after the same painful delay. I yelled “Dirk 1, Fox 6, lead trail!” (“Cricket” R. later critiqued my comm as incorrect 3-1 terminology.) Since Boomer was the primary shooter, I assumed he was locked to the leader, so I kept the trailer as the
PDT. Not wanting to screw with a good thing, I stayed in HDTWS inside 10 nm (“Dozer” S., our WIC dude, promptly criticized me for not going STT inside 10 nm upon reviewing my VSD tape, thus I still have to pass my IPUG Tac Intx ride!). Both targets started a check turn to the southwest (14L to H to 16R aspect) and continued to descend to low teens. Approaching 10
nm, checking RWR to make sure we weren’t targeted: “Dirk 1 naked!” “Dirk 2 naked!” “Dirk, let’s go pure!” From 30K’, both of us rolled our jets inverted, pointed nose low directly at the TD box on the HUD and pulled throttle to idle. I think my heart rate at this time was reaching my aerobic limit for my age (you know, that formula: 220 minus age, etc.). Against a
broken cloud background, I saw a tiny dot in the TD box about 7-8 nm out.
“Dirk 1, tally ho nose 7 nm, low!”

Realizing I saw the trailer, I was praying Boomer would soon follow up with a tally call on the leader. Approaching 5 nm, I’m scanning in front of the trailer for the leader but no joy. #####! The trailer continued his left turn to southwest, and I was looking at approximately 14R aspect. Inside 5 nm, thumb aft to AIM-9 and tried twice to uncage, but the tone was not there.
Just then, between the HUD and the canopy bow (about right 12:30 to 1 o’clock position), I saw the leader explode! The best visual description I can think of is if you held a torch from one of those Hawaiian luau parties, and swing it through the air. The flame with an extended tail trailing the torch is exactly what I saw! Turning my attention back to the trailer, the
trailer exploded into a streaking flame seconds later just as I tried to uncage
the missile the third time! Never mind! “Dirk 1, splash two Mig-29s, B/E 360/35!”

Heater, I’m ashamed. I was screaming like a woman! Didn’t really bother to
keep an eye on the fireballs, so I didn’t see any chutes. Later report confirmed both pilots ejected safely. Not that Boomer or I would’ve felt bad if they morted. Anyway, I called for Boomer and I to reference 080 heading and short-range radar. Thumbed aft to autoguns, plugged in full AB and accelerated to 460 kts at 20K’. My cranium was on a swivel and breathing like I just ran a full sprint! “Dirk 2, blind!”

Crap! I looked north, and it took me a few seconds to find Boomer (about 3.5 nm left and stacked high). Tried to talk his eyes back to me, but Boomer called out to west in a right turn. I waited a few seconds to sanitize and turned west as well. During the turn, I immediately pulled into double beeper due to airspeed and Gs.

Rolling out, I was 3 nm in trail of Boomer, so I had him shackled to the south to pick up line abreast. The fun wasn’t over yet. Boomer got an autogun snap lock less than 10 nm south of us — low alt, with no ID. I told him to press for VID while I followed him 3 nm in trail. We were diving back down to the low teens and I saw absolutely nothing on my radar! All of
a sudden, Boomer pulls up and yells “Dirk 2, unable ID!” That’s BAD!

I just about ##### my pants! I saw nothing, and after a few seconds, I asked Boomer if he saw anything at all. Boomer said he didn’t see anything, so we just stroke it up and separate to the northwest for a while, then came back for a second look. Nobody home! Boomer thought it may have been a bad radar lock. I sure hope so! The rest of the sortie was one excitement after
another. While on the boom, AWACS controller started calling out every single [unit of] ground traffic as possible contact crossing the border into Bosnia. For a while it sounded like a mass attack on Tuzla! By now it was nighttime, and Boomer (in an offset 3-5 nm trail) and I were still running around with our hair on fire! One time AWACS called out contacts at very low alt moving west towards Tuzla. I didn’t see squat on my tube; neither did Boomer. As the position of group started getting closer to Tuzla, I expected to see a burst of explosions from the airfield underneath! Boomer and I were gonna go from “heroes to zeros” really soon! Finally I turned the
GMTR setting on my trusty APG-70 to low and immediately saw the targets. Locked them up and show 80 kts ground speed! I wanted to reach through the mic and strangle the ##### out of the controller! AWACS later called out MiG CAPs just 15 nm northeast of the border! Boomer and I were ready to “pop a cap in their ass” across the border as soon as we got contact and ID.
Again, nothing on the radar. We even did two iterations of grinder with a two ship of Vipers, and no one got a solid radar hit. That night we committed and armed hot three more times after the MiG kills based on ridiculous AWACS calls! No kidding! By the time our replacement showed up (4 hours of vul time later), I was totally exhausted and drained. The flight across Adriatic was uneventful, and Boomer and I finally had a moment to think about what happened.

RETURNING TO BASE
After I landed and pulled into dearm, I saw a freak in flight suit and wearing a reflective belt, jumping up and down. Sure enough, it was “Freak” O. welcoming us back! The taxi back to the chocks was like having a bunch of kids following an ice cream truck! Everyone came running out and waited at the parking spot for Boomer and me. Boomer taxied in front of me as I pulled into my spot. Losing all professionalism and radio discipline, I called out on Ops frequency, “Boomer, you’re the #####!”

Getting out of the jet and greeting all the bros and maintainers was the greatest moment of my career! Our Ops Grp commander “Wilbur” E. was first to shake my hand, followed by the mob! We were laughing, shouting, hooting, high fiving and hugging! It was awesome! Unable to wait to review the tapes, we all piled into the “Turtle” and watched my HUD tapes. Thank
God it recorded everything clearly, including the fireball from the trailer. “Homer” S. and “Bull” M. almost knocked me over when they came storming into the Turtle! We were all screaming and jumping so hard in the Turtle I thought it was going to tip over! Too bad Boomer’s VSD tape didn’t run, and his HUD tape was washed out due to high aperture setting. Boomer
and I were laughing and high fiving the entire car ride home! We weren’t even suppose to fly that day!

AFTERTHOUGHTS
It took over a day for this to finally sink in — no kidding! It felt almost surreal that day/night. “Fish” B., our MX officer, said it best when he saw me hours after I shut down engines: “So, Claw, have you landed yet?” Only one way to describe this event: unbelievably##### lucky! Not the fact we shot them down, but that they were airborne during our watch. Any Eagle driver could’ve easily done what Boomer and I did, but as “Heater” G. said, “You guys won the lottery!” The sequence of events happened in our favor like the planets lining up. The jets, the missiles, the radar (well, mine, at least) performed marvelously! Our MX dudes deserve the bulk of the credit. We had no spares that day. The crew chiefs and the Pro Super, Jim S., absolutely busted their asses working red balls and launched us on time! Boomer, my wingman, what can I say? Regardless of whose missile hit which MiG, we shot down two Fulcrums that afternoon. We succeed as a team, and fail as a team (good thing it was the former)! Boomer did an outstanding job of finding the group, working the ID matrix and targeting according to plan. If I didn’t have faith in him, I would not have broken lock and broken out the lead trail formation. Of course, I’m proud of what we did, but there’s one thing I’ll really stick out my chest for: To everyone who taught me and influenced me on my tactical flying and gave me long debriefs (though painful at times), especially “Razor” J., “Elwood” A., “Heater” G. (even though he’s a meat gazer...), “Homer” S., “Dozer” S., “Nuts” D. and “Bear” G., I DID NOT LET YOU GUYS DOWN! It doesn’t get much better than this, guys!

Well, maybe two more kills would be pretty cool...

Claw, aka Po "
 

Duwa

Master of the Universe.
Buenisimo Juanma. No entendi todas las terminologias, pero lo general si. Muy interesante e ilustrativo.

Abrazo
 
Ese Block III debe ser lo mas salado que puede llegar a existir en la 4ta generacion.

No creas, segun el GAO se hablaba de solo un 10% de incremento por unidad. La tecnologia ya esta amortizada...

Pero sin dudas, seria el punto mas alto de cualquier caza de 4ta... ;)

Abrazo!
 

Buitreaux

Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
No creas, segun el GAO se hablaba de solo un 10% de incremento por unidad. La tecnologia ya esta amortizada...

Pero sin dudas, seria el punto mas alto de cualquier caza de 4ta... ;)

Abrazo!
Mario en el NOA, el termino salado puede referirise a "groso, grande, impresionante, etc" dependiendo de como se lo use.

A lo que apuntaba, es que el Blk III apunta a ser lo maximo posible en un 4ta gen. No veo como un Tifon, Rafale, Gripen NG, Viper, Fulcrum o Flanker puedan llegar a estar en igualdad de condiciones con lo que este Silent Hornet se supone va a tener.

Respecto al precio, si esta por debajo de los 70 millones flyaway, es un gol de media cancha. Practicamente valores de dumping.

Una de las innovaciones mas interesantes (sino la mas), es esa bodega colgante de bajo arrastre y generadora de sustentacion. Creo que es un truco, que solo la coloquen en el punto de carga ventral. Seguro que se pueden enganchar 2 mas en los primeros pilones pesados alares. Eso daria una configuracion hipotetica de hasta 14x AAMs en mision sigilosa.

Los motores EPE, de 120 kN, levantan la relacion peso potencia hasta mas de 1 a 1 con combustible maximo en misiones de defensa aerea, lo que es impresionante. Eso le daria cualidades cinematicas como para enfrentarse a los 5ta generacion en igualdad de condiciones.

Un caño.
 

Landa

Als Ich Kan
Bui, lo que genera sustento son los tanques externos ubicados sobre los LERX, creo que el POD no genera más que muy baja marca RCS.
 

Duwa

Master of the Universe.
Preguntá que la mayoria deben salir
Cuando tenga tiempo, primero intentare con San Google. Lo demas lo pregunto. Igual... entendi la historia completa. Muy buena!
Seguro que se pueden enganchar 2 mas en los primeros pilones pesados alares. Eso daria una configuracion hipotetica de hasta 14x AAMs en mision sigilosa.

Los 2 Sidewinder de las punteras alares generan un RCS despreciable?
 
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