Todo sobre el F-117

En realidad no l oderribo un F-117 sino una bateria antiarea SA-3

How to Take Down an F-117
by James Dunnigan
December 4, 2005
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The Serbian battery commander, whose missiles downed an American F-16, and, most impressively, an F-117, in 1999, has retired, as a colonel, and revealed many of the techniques he used to achieve all this. Colonel Dani Zoltan, in 1999, commanded the 3rd battery of the 250th Missile Brigade. He had search and control radars, as well as a TV tracking unit. The battery had four quad launchers for the 21 foot long, 880 pound SA-3 missiles. The SA-3 entered service in 1961 and, while it had undergone some upgrades, was considered a minor threat to NATO aircraft. Zoltan was an example of how an imaginative and energetic leader can make a big difference. While Zoltan’s peers and superiors were pretty demoralized with the electronic countermeasures NATO (especially American) aircraft used to support their bombing missions, he believed he could still turn his ancient missiles into lethal weapons. The list of measures he took, and the results he got, should be warning to any who believe that superior technology alone will provide a decisive edge in combat. People still make a big difference. In addition to shooting down two aircraft, Zoltan’s battery caused dozens of others to abort their bombing missions to escape his unexpectedly accurate missiles. This is how he did it.



Zoltan had about 200 troops under his command. He got to know them well, trained hard and made sure everyone could do what was expected of them. This level of quality leadership was essential, for Zoltan's achievements were a group effort.
Zoltan used a lot of effective techniques that American air defense experts expected, but did not expect to encounter because of poor leadership by the enemy. For example, Zoltan knew that his major foe was HARM (anti-radar) missiles and electronic detection systems used by the Americans, as well as smart bombs from aircraft who had spotted him. To get around this, he used landlines for all his communications (no cell phones or radio). This was more of a hassle, often requiring him to use messengers on foot or in cars. But it meant the American intel people overhead were never sure where he was.
His radars and missile launchers were moved frequently, meaning that some of his people were always busy looking for new sites to set up in, or setting up or taking down the equipment. His battery traveled over 100,000 kilometers during the 78 day NATO bombing campaign, just to avoid getting hit. They did, and his troops knew all that effort was worth the effort.
The Serbs had spies outside the Italian airbase most of the bombers operated from. When the bombers took off, the information on what aircraft they, and how many, quickly made it to Zoltan and the other battery commanders.
Zoltan studied all the information he could get on American stealth technology, and the F-117. There was a lot of unclassified data, and speculation, out there. He developed some ideas on how to beat stealth, based on the fact that the technology didn’t make the F-117 invisible to radar, just very to get, and keep, a good idea of exactly where the aircraft was. Zoltan figured out how to tweak his radars to get a better lock on stealth type targets. This has not been discussed openly.
The Serbs also set up a system of human observers, who would report on sightings of bombers entering Serbia, and track their progress.
The spies and observers enabled Zoltan to keep his radars on for a minimal amount of time. This made it difficult for the American SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) to use their HARM missiles (that homed in on radar transmissions.) Zoltan never lost a radar to a HARM missile.
Zoltan used the human spotters and brief use of radar, with short range shots at American bombers. The SA-3 was guided from the ground, so you had to use surprise to get an accurate shot in before the target used jamming and evasive maneuvers to make the missile miss. The F-117 he shot down was only 13 kilometers away.

Zoltan got some help from his enemies. The NATO commanders often sent their bombers in along the same routes, and didn’t make a big effort to find out if hotshots like Zoltan were down there, and do something about it. Never underestimate your enemy.

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Monchi

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Muy buen articulo Bushmaster, impresionante lo que pudo hacer este tal Zoltan con su unidad de SAMs
 
Aunque todos dan por superado al F-117, la realidad es que el primer avión stealth aún tiene cuerda y para rato. La semana pasada, seis ejemplares del 49 Fighter Wing basados en Holloman iniciaron su desplazamiento hacia Corea del Sur, realizando el día Jueves una escala técnica en Hickam Field (Hawaii) y estimándose que en éstos momentos ya se encuentran en Corea del Sur.

El desplazamiento fue totalmente sorpresivo ya que no es habitual que en ésta época del año los F-117 realicen éste tipo de desplazamientos. En total se movilizaron unas 300 personas incluyendo técnicos, mecánicos, asistentes y pilotos de relevo ya que se estima que los 6 ejemplares permanecerán en la región por espacio de 4 meses.

El Ejército norcoreano cuenta con cerca de 9.000 cañones antiaéreos combinados con lanzadores de misiles SA-2, SA-3 y SA-5, más los portátiles SA-7 y SA-16. Las defensas integran docenas de batallones antiaéreos ubicados en corredores costeros alrededor de la zona desmilitarizada y que se extienden hasta el norte de la capital Pyongyang. Las estimaciones indican que Norcorea dispone de más de 3.000 radares de vigilancia de todo tipo, sumado a unos 40 Mig 29, 50 Mig 23ML y casi 200 Mig 21 dedicados a tareas de caza e intercepción. Aunque no es la primera vez que los F-117 operan en Corea del Sur, hay que esperar más noticias para conocer a qué responde éste desplazamiento.
 
Mientras esos F117 terminen en Corea del Sur y no en otro lugar... Ya que sería el vector perfecto para un ataque al estilo IAF.

The Sunday Times January 07, 2007


Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on IranUzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington

ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.
Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.

The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb.

Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open “tunnels” into the targets. “Mini-nukes” would then immediately be fired into a plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.

“As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished,” said one of the sources.

The plans, disclosed to The Sunday Times last week, have been prompted in part by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad’s assessment that Iran is on the verge of producing enough enriched uranium to make nuclear weapons within two years.

Israeli military commanders believe conventional strikes may no longer be enough to annihilate increasingly well-defended enrichment facilities. Several have been built beneath at least 70ft of concrete and rock. However, the nuclear-tipped bunker-busters would be used only if a conventional attack was ruled out and if the United States declined to intervene, senior sources said.

Israeli and American officials have met several times to consider military action. Military analysts said the disclosure of the plans could be intended to put pressure on Tehran to halt enrichment, cajole America into action or soften up world opinion in advance of an Israeli attack.

Some analysts warned that Iranian retaliation for such a strike could range from disruption of oil supplies to the West to terrorist attacks against Jewish targets around the world.

Israel has identified three prime targets south of Tehran which are believed to be involved in Iran’s nuclear programme:

Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges are being installed for uranium enrichment

A uranium conversion facility near Isfahan where, according to a statement by an Iranian vice-president last week, 250 tons of gas for the enrichment process have been stored in tunnels

A heavy water reactor at Arak, which may in future produce enough plutonium for a bomb
Israeli officials believe that destroying all three sites would delay Iran’s nuclear programme indefinitely and prevent them from having to live in fear of a “second Holocaust”.

The Israeli government has warned repeatedly that it will never allow nuclear weapons to be made in Iran, whose president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has declared that “Israel must be wiped off the map”.

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Sunday Times 7 de enero de 2007

Revelado: Israel planea ataque nuclear en Irán
Uzi Mahnaimi, Nueva York y Sarah Baxter, Washington

ISRAEL ha elaborado planes secretos para destruir las instalaciones de enriquecimiento de uranio de Irán con armas nucleares tácticas.
Dos escuadrillas israelíes de la fuerza aérea están entrenando para hacer saltar los emplazamientos iraníes usando bombas "revienta-bunker nucleares", según varias fuentes militares israelíes.

El ataque sería el primero con las armas nucleares desde 1945, cuando las bombas atómicas lanzadas por Estados Unidos en Hiroshima y Nagasaki. Las armas israelíes tendrían una fuerza equivalente al uno-décimo quinta de la bomba de Hiroshima.

Según el plan, bombas convencionales dirigidas por laser abrirían los “túneles” en las blancos. “Mini-nukes” entonces serían lanzadas inmediatamente en la planta en Natanz, estallando el subterráneo profundo para reducir el riesgo del polvillo radiactivo .

“Tan pronto como se da la luz verde, será una misión, una huelga y el proyecto nuclear iraní será demolido,” según afirmaron las mencionadas fuentes.

Los planes, divulgados a Sunday Times la semana pasada, han sido incitados en parte por el gravamen de inteligencia del Mossad israelí del servicio que Irán está en el borde de producir bastante uranio enriquecido para hacer las armas nucleares en el plazo de dos años.

Los comandantes militares israelíes creen que las armas convencionales pueden no más ser bastante efectivas como para aniquilar las instalaciones de enriquecimiento de uranio cada vez más mejor defendidas. Varios se han construido debajo por lo menos de los 70ft de concreto. Sin embargo, utilizarían a las arma revienta bunker nucleares solamente si un ataque convencional fue eliminado y si los Estados Unidos declinaron intervenir, las fuentes mayores dijeron.

Los funcionarios israelíes y americanos han resuelto varias veces de considerar la acción militar. Los analistas militares dijeron que el acceso de los planes se podría pensar para aplicar la presión en Tehran al enriquecimiento del alto, para cajole América en la acción o para ablandar encima de la opinión del mundo antes de un ataque israelí.

Algunos analistas advirtieron que la venganza iraní por tal acción podría extenderse de la interrupción de las fuentes de petroleo al oeste a los ataques del terrorista contra blancos judías alrededor del mundo.

Israel ha identificado el sur primero de tres blancos de Tehran que se creen para ser implicadas en el programa nuclear de Irán:

Natanz, donde los millares de centrifugadoras están siendo instalados para el enriquecimiento de uranio

Una facilidad de uranio de la conversión cerca de Isfahán en donde, según una declaración de un vice presidente iraní la semana pasada, 250 toneladas de gas para el proceso del enriquecimiento se han almacenado en túneles

Un reactor del agua pesada en Arak, que puede en el producto futuro bastante plutonio para una bomba
Los funcionarios israelíes creen eso destruir los tres sitios retrasaría el programa nuclear de Irán indefinidamente y evitaría que tuvieran que vivir en miedo “en segundo lugar de un Holocaust”.

El gobierno israelí ha advertido en varias ocasiones que nunca permita que las armas nucleares sean hechas en Irán, que presidente, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, ha declarado que “Israel se debe limpiar del mapa”.
 
Ir a meterse a Iran es muy distinto a la mision que hicieron sobre Irak en los '80,
o sea, eso seria una verdadera carniceria... ahora, con los termocefalos que son
en ambos lados... bueh...
 
Si la matricula coincide, es el AF-82-0806 derribado cuando se dirigia a atacar Belgrado. Y habran notado los impactos de bala, no hay con que darle, las armas anti-aereas de tubo no sufren interferencias jammer je,je.
 

tanoarg

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no quiero ser pajaro de mal aguero... pero este video lo paso la prensa mundial, digamos, al otro dia del derribo... osea... de inedito, poco y nada.
un abrazo
 

Nicanor_Chile

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No señor, este video nunca habia sido mostrado, te pido demuestres lo contrarios.


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tanoarg

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bueno nicanor, me alegro mucho que hayas traido este video. que queres que te diga, yo lo vi... hasta falta la imagen de los muchachos de la region levantando un pedazo de ala y saltando de alegria.
un abrazo
 

Juanma

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licastro dijo:
Si la matricula coincide, es el AF-82-0806 derribado cuando se dirigia a atacar Belgrado. Y habran notado los impactos de bala, no hay con que darle, las armas anti-aereas de tubo no sufren interferencias jammer je,je.

eeeeehhhhh tas seguro q es un impacto de bala o esquirla de una municion q se autodestruyo??
como sabes q no es producto de las esquirlas de la carga de fragmentacion del misil?

hace tiempo la 1ra vez q vi las imagenes me acuerdo q pense q eran producto de balas pero desp pense q el misil era mas probable
 
Porque a los tipos ya no les quedaba un solo radar funcionando, y basaban su defensa aérea en piezas simples, dobles y cuadruples de 23mm, 14mm y cañones de 57mm.
 

Juanma

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la informacion es incorrecta

no hace mucho subieron un tema con toda la info del derribo y hablaban del comandante de esa unidad
 
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