generaciones anteriores como el Mig-29?
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Electronicamente los Mig 29 que fueron derribados por vipers estaban una generacion por detras...Bushmaster dijo:generaciones anteriores como el Mig-29?
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Accrochage dijo:Porque esto no es "como tu radar detecta mas lejos, ganaste el combate" o "como tu avion tira mas G´s, el combate cerrado es tuyo". Sabes las veces que se produjeron derribos de Puca contra otros SdA que casi duplican su capacidad en el jetometro, y la cuadriplican en el machimetro???
Soy de los que piensan que el combate se gana sabiendo mas del avion enemigo que del de uno. Fijate el ejemplo de MLV...los Harriers jamas buscaban a los Mirage en altura....te da la pauta que conocian lo que podian hacer un delta arriba de 20.000ft y en lugar de ir a buscarlos y perder su ventaja, los esperaban abajo.
tanoarg dijo:estimado bushmaster... si vos te referis combate aa donde existe supremacia total de control aew/sigint/elint/ecm... no me cabe la menor duda. independientemente, ningun f16 derribo en dogfight a un mig29.
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tanoarg dijo:querido wolf... que parte de dogfight no se entendio????
SPY-FLY dijo:cuantos derribos en combate tiene el m2000.....cunatos tiene l viper?????
Litio71 dijo:-Hasta ahora en combate real el M-2000 tiene un solo derribo y casualmente la victima fue un "Vipere"
bueno spy... de por si, el f16... su configuracion alar, es un delta.alabado sea el delta!!! jeje pregunto: porque joden tanto que el delta es superior en todo??? no sera que se la ven venir que vamos tener estor tarros franchutes por aca??..y se estan preparando espiritu para refregarselo a los pibes de la fach.....la envidia los carcome muchachos....jajajaja! yo quiero f-16 block(del que sea) para la faa!
En que condisiones ha tenido derribos el Viper.Splashhhhhhhhhh ñac ñac ñacSPY-FLY dijo:cuantos derribos en combate tiene el m2000.....cunatos tiene l viper?????
SPY-FLY dijo:alabado sea el delta!!! jeje pregunto: porque joden tanto que el delta es superior en todo??? no sera que se la ven venir que vamos tener estor tarros franchutes por aca??..y se estan preparando espiritu para refregarselo a los pibes de la fach.....la envidia los carcome muchachos....jajajaja! yo quiero f-16 block(del que sea) para la faa!
Wolf dijo:Bosnia, Mig29 cazado por un Viper MLU Holandes, misil, AMRAAM Bravo
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sebastian_porras dijo:¿Porque en Top Gun todavìa usan el A-4 y el F-5 en el escuadròn agresor? y se enfrentan a aviones como el F-16 o F/A-18, si fuera determinante el radar, el BVR y demàs (que influyen y mucho en el combate) los instructores de Top Gn hubieran elegido esta configuraciòn para el agresor, pero en el Dog-fight hay muchos factores que cuentan y sobre todo el factor humano y las condiciones en que se da el combate y sobre eso trabajan los instructores de caza.
How Dutch F-16AMs shot down a Mig-29
Amendola Air Base, Italy - Four F-16AMs of the Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLAF) were among the first NATO aircraft to enter Serbian airspace on the night of 24 March. Within minutes, the Dutch had achieved their first air-to-air victory since World War II, shooting down a Serbian MiG-29.
The engagement also marked the combat debut for the F-16AM, the most advanced F-16 in operational service.
In an interview with Jane's Defence Weekly, Lt Col Jon Abma, RNLAF, commanding officer of the Belgian-Netherlands Deployed Air Task Force (DATF) described the events that happened during the first moments of Operation Allied Force.
"At 19.30hr local time four F-16AMs took off from here for a fighter escort mission to protect one of the first NATO strike packages. After an in-flight refuelling over the Adriatic Sea, the flight crossed over Albania into Serbia. Upon entering Serbian airspace, they were informed by AWACS that three MiG-29 aircraft had taken off from an air base near Belgrade," Col Abma said.
That base is understood to have been Batajnica, home of the Yugoslav Air Force's only MiG-29 unit, the 127th Fighter Aviation Squadron 'Knights'. Col Abma said: "The four F-16AMs headed out toward the threat, working to detect the MiGs on their own radars. Subsequently, one of the MiGs was picked up by all four F-16s. When within range, our flight leader fired one AMRAAM against the MiG. It was an instant hit, after a flight of 30 seconds."
The AMRAAM, credited with a speed of over 4,000km/h,would be capable of covering a distance of more than 33km in 30 seconds. According to RNLAF personnel at Amendola, the head-on missile intercept took place 18km from the lead F-16.
"The pilot involved visually saw a fiery explosion. At the same time, the AWACS recorded that the MiG disappeared from the scope," Col Abma said. "We have never seen the other MiG-29s, but around the same time two US F-15s shot down two of those aircraft."
Col Abma said that the rules of engagement (ROEs) for air-to-air engagements require that the target has been tracked by AWACS throughout its flight, and that four other parameters also must be met. Other RNLAF officers said that among those are a positive IFF identification and an approval from the mission commander.
Flying in the air defence role, the F-16AMs at Amendola each carried four AMRAAMs, two external fuel tanks and a Northrop Grumman ALQ-131 ECM pod. In addition four of the eight aircraft also carried two Raytheon AGM-65G Maverick air-to-ground missiles each.
"This is so that they can react instantly when a ground target needs to be attacked urgently," said Col Abma, adding that this 'swing role' capability was much appreciated by NATO's Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) in Vicenza, Italy, which plans and leads the air campaign.
Royal Netherlands Air Force F-16AM (F-16 Airframe Details for 86-0063) "MiG Killer", of 322nd sqn, leaving Fairford AB on July 24th, 1999. On March 24th, 1999, this aircraft downed a Serbian MiG-29 with an AIM-120 Amraam.