Rusia versus Estados unidos Hoy ¿quien gana?

[lisandro83]

Con este conflicto en Georgia y un par de tire y apriete de parte de todos a alguien se le va la mano y supongamos que hoy 14 de agosto del 2008 comienza una guerra entre los rusos y los eeuu.
y con esto quien gana, quien esta mas preparado mas recursos mejores cosas etc etc y todos los etc que hay dentro de una guerra.

 

[Bushmaster]

Rusia gana en Rusia.
EEUU gana en el resto del mundo.
Utilizando armamento nuclear todos pierden.

SALUDOS

 

[Tormentor]

Cuente más, Bushmaster !!

T

 

[lisandro83]

Rusia gana en Rusia.
EEUU gana en el resto del mundo.
Utilizando armamento nuclear todos pierden.

SALUDOS

Esa era la respuesta que me imaginaba.
Rusia fue una aplanadora en un pais limitrofe, pero como seria si tuviese que moverse fuera de sus fronteras.
Y la otra que pasa si se mete eeuu dentro de la urss

Algo que note que en 7 dias de conflicto segun datos rusos los georgianos bajaron 4 aviones, segun los georgianos fueron 18 pero si me baso en datos oficiales para mi por ser una potencia 4 aviones en una semana es mucho, ni hablar si fueron mas.
Eso seria un punto en contra de rusia?

 

[Bushmaster]

Datos del años 2001:

USA
Population: 281 404 thousand people. The military budget is 293,3 billion dollars (2001). The regular forces are 1 367 700 people. The reserve - 1 200 600 people. The reserve consists of the National Guard - 464 100 people (land forces - 357 200, air force - 106 900) and the reserve of the branches - 710 900 (land forces - 363 700, air force - 74 400, naval forces - 173 000, marines - 99 800). The reserve of the 2nd turn - 25 600 people (land forces - 700, air force - 16 800, naval forces - 7 200, marines - 900). Militarized formations (patrols of civil aircraft) - 53 000 people. Recruitment for the army is voluntary.

Land forces: 477 800 people (71 400 women), 3 army headquarters, 4 army corps headquarters (1 airborne headquarters), 10 divisions: 2 armoured (3 headquarters of brigades, 5 tank and 4 motorized infantry battalions, 3 self-propelled artillery battalions, the MLRS battalion, 1 anti-aircraft battalion, 1 army-co-operation aviation brigade), 2 mechanized, 1 mechanized (3 headquarters of brigades, 4 tank and 5 motorized infantry battalions, 3 self-propelled artillery battalions, the MLRS battalion, 1 anti-aircraft artillery battalion, 1 army-co-operation aviation brigade), 1 mechanized (3 headquarters of brigades, 4 tank, 3 motorized infantry and 2 airborne battalions, 3 self-propelled artillery battalions, 1 anti-aircraft battalion, 1 army-co-operation aviation brigade), 2 light infantry (3 headquarters of brigades, 9 infantry battalions, 3 self-propelled artillery battalions, 1 anti-aircraft battalion, 1 army-co-operation aviation brigade), 1 airborne (3 headquarters of brigades, 9 airborne battalions, 3 artillery battalions, 1 anti-aircraft battalion, 1 helicopter support battalion, 1 army-co-operation aviation brigade) and 1 airborne (3 headquarters of brigades, 9 airborne battalions, 3 artillery battalions, 2 army-co-operation aviation brigades: 7 helicopter battalions); 11 detached brigades (5 army-co-operation aviation, 6 artillery: 3 self-propelled artillery, 3 artillery battalions), 11 MLRS battalions, 3 detached armoured cavalry regiments, 1 detached infantry battalion, 1 airborne tactical group, 11 detached SAM battalions (10 Patriot, 2 Avenger). The National Guard: 357 200 people, 8 divisions (1 armoured, 3 mechanized, 3 middle, 1 light infantry), 16 detached brigades (2 armoured, 5 mechanized, 7 infantry, 1 light infantry, 1 armoured cavalry), 17 headquarters of artillery brigades, 1 detached infantry battalion, 36 artillery battalions, 19 army-co-operation aviation battalions, 37 engineer battalions, 11 detached SAM battalions (2 Patriot, 9 Avenger). The reserve - 363 700 people, 12 training divisions, 13 regional commands.

The command of special operations of land forces: 15 300 people, the headquarters, 5 special groups, the ranger regiment, the psychological operations group (5 battalions), the battalion for relations with civil authorities, 2 battalions (intercommunications and general support), the air regiment of special operations. The reserve of the command of special operations: 2 800 people - National Guard, 7 800 - the reserve; 2 special groups, 4 commands and 8 brigades for relations with civil authorities; 2 groups of psychological operations, 36 divisions for relations with civil authorities.

Arms: 7 620 battle tanks M1 Abrams of all modifications, 110 armoured reconnaissance vehicles Fuchs, 6 710 infantry fighting vehicles Bradley, 15 400 ATC of all modifications, 1 547 towed guns (434 M102, 416 M119, 697 M198), 2 476 self-propelled guns M109A1, 881 MLRS (able to launch the rockets ATACMS), 1 556 mortars (932 M120/121, 624 M252), 19 000 antitank missile systems Dragon, 950 antitank missile systems Javelin, 626 self-propelled antitank missile systems M901 Toy, 6 710 antitank missile systems Toy on M2 / МЗ Bradley, 1 379 multi-purpose automobile Hammer with antitank missile systems Toy, 785 SAM systems Avenger, 483 surface-to-air guided missile systems Patriot, 271 planes (128 C-12 of various modifications, 43 C-23, 11 C-26, 2 T-34, 3 C-20, 22 UC-35, 2 C-31, 2 C-182, 1 PA-31, 2 UV-20A, 4 UV-18A) and about 4 715 helicopters (of them 1 340 combat ones): 370 AH-1S, 740 AH-64A/D, 64 EH-6QA, 452 СН/MH-47, 387 OH-58A/C, 385 OH-58D (194 combat), 36 AH-6/MH-6, 735 UH-1 H/V, 1 405 UH-60/MH-60/VL/K, 135 TH-67, 4 UH-60Q, 2 RAH-66, 7 pilotless vehicles Hunter (5 are mothballed), 51 amphibian vessels, 89 boats LCM-8, surface radars: 122 AN/TPQ-36, 70 AN/KPQ-37, 66 AN/TPQ-32, 15 AN/TSQ-138, 24 AN/TSQ-138A.

Air force: 352 500 people (including 66 300 women). Intercontinental ballistic rockets: 500 LGM-30G Minuteman-3, 50LGM-118A Peacekeeper. Planes and helicopters: 21 B-2a, 92 B-1B, 94 B-52H 32 U-2R and S, 4 TU-2, 9 E-8C, 2 E-9A, 3 RC-135, 2 RC-135U, 16 RC-135V and W, 33 Е-ЗС AWACS, 957 F-15 of various modifications, 2 724 F-16 of various modifications, 3 F-22A, 52 F-117A, 336 A-10A and OA-10A, 21 AC-130H and U, 33 HC-130N and P, 5 EC-18B and D, 30 C-130 (E, H and J), 66 MC-130 (E, HHP), 8 WC-130HHJ, 3 WC-135W, 30 C-135, EC-137D, 126 C-5A and B, 67 C-17A, 12 C-20, 78 C-21, 4 C-22B, 3 C-23a, 2 VC-25A, 11 C-26A and B, 4 C-32, 2 C-37, 3 C-38a, 526 C-130, 6 C-135 (B, C and E), 2 C-137H, 125 C-141A and B, 59 KC-10A, 546 KC-135 (O, E, P and T), 180 T-1A, 110 T-3A, 411 T-37B, 408 T-38, 93 AT-38B, 3 T-41, 11 T-43A, CT-43A, 2 TC-135S HW, 38 MH-53J, 3MH-60G, 11 HH-1H, 104 HH-60G, 62 UH-1N, 6 TH-53A, V-22. Pilotless vehicles: RQ-4A Global Hawk (prototype), 8 RQ-1A Predator.

Naval forces: 366 100 people (including 52050 women). The Atlantic and Pacific fleets (5 operative fleets), the commands of specops, minesweepers, experimental forces, sea transportation, training, reserve.

Navy: groups: multi-purpose carriers (8), submarines (8), surface ships (6), cruisers and destroyers (6), amphibians (3), support ships (2), SAS (2), minesweepers (2); their squadrons: atomic submarines with ballistic missiles (3), atomic submarines (10), torpedo boats (16), amphibians (9), SAS boats (2), support ships (1) and battle protection (1), surface ships of the emergency reserve (3). Ships: 18 atomic submarines with ballistic missiles such as Ohio, 54 atomic submarines (2 Seawolf, 51 Los Angeles, 1 Stergeon), 1 atomic SAS submarine B. Franklin, 12 multi-purpose carriers (8 nuclear Nimitz, 1 nuclear Enterprise, 2 Kitty Hawk, 1 G. Кеннеди - in reserve), 27 cruisers Tikonderoga, 56 destroyers (34 Orlie Berk, 22 Spruence), 35 frigates with guided missiles Oliver H. Perri (including 8 in reserve), 14 patrol ships Cyclone, more than 40 SAS boats, 26 minesweepers (12 Wasprey - 11 in reserve, 14 Avenger - 4 in reserve), the command ship of minesweepers Inchon (mothballed), 44 storm-boats (4 command ships, including 2 Blue Ridge; 12 universal storm-boats: 7 Wasp, 5 Tarawa; 11 landing helicopter carriers Austin; 15 landing docks: 8 Widby Island, 4 harpers Ferry, 3 Anchorage; 2 tank landing ships Newport - mothballed), 202 storm-boats (including 91 air cushion storm-boats LCAC, 89 LCM, 6 LCVP), 28 surface ships of the emergency reserve (1 multi-purpose carrier, 8 frigates with guided missiles, 15 minesweepers, 1 tank landing ship, 1 command ship), 26 surface ships of the 2nd turn reserve (2 carriers, 1 frigate with guided missiles, 2 battleships, 7 tank landing ships, 4 landing transports, 5 tankers, 3 supply ships, support vessels), 24 support vessels (5 tankers. 8 universal supply ships, munition supply ships, 4 mother ships, 1 floating shop, 4 rescue ships of submarines and experimental submarines), more than 100 support ships (including 7 munition supply ships, 6 supply transports, 17 tankers, 7 towboats, 9 sonar intelligence vessels, 7 oceanographic vessels, 9 hydrographic vessels, 2 hospital vessel, 32 vessels of preliminary warehousing, 19 transports), more than 120 ships of the reserve navy.

Naval aircraft: 70 230 people (including 6 300 women), 19 wings, 11 shipborne wings (including mothballed - 1). Squadrons: planes - 24 fighter and assault squadrons, 12 fighter squadrons, 10 anti-submarine squadrons, 10 airborne early warning squadrons, 14 electronic warfare air squadrons, 4 reconnaissance air squadrons, 6 patrol squadrons, 2 air command squadrons, 4 transport squadrons, 11 training squadrons; helicopters - 20 anti-submarine helicopter squadrons, 2 air squadrons of minesweepers (helicopters), 6 transport squadrons, 2 training squadrons. Planes: 1 661: 195 F-14 of various modifications, 226 F/A-18 of various modifications, 9 F-5E/F, 57 TA-4J, 73 EA-6B, 16 E-6A/B, 63 E-2C 161 Р-ЗС, 14 EP-3, 13 NP-3D, 10 U/VP-3A, 2 ТР-3A, 114S-3B, 16 ES-3A, 2 KC-130, 7C-130 of various modifications, 38 C-2a, 1 CT-39G, 2 OS-9, 37 UC-12, 1 NU-1B, 2 U-6A, 107 T-2C, 1 T-39D, 55 T-44, 71 T-45, 311 T-34C, 11 T-38D/B, 20 TC-12B, 2 TC-18F. Helicopters - 690: 3 UH-1N, 19 UH/HH-1H, 135 CH-53E, 26 MH-53E, 242 SH-60B/F, 22 HH-60H, 1 SH-3H, 42 UH-3H, 27CH-46D, 1 CH-46E, 44 UH/HH-46D, 118 TH-57, 3VH-3A/D, 7 AH-1W.

The reserve of the naval aircraft: 23 480 people (including 3 840 women), 5 wings, including 1 shipborne wing; squadrons: planes - 2 fighter and assault air squadrons, 1 fighter air squadrons, 2 airborne early warning squadrons, 1 electronic warfare air squadron, 9 pilotless vehicle squadrons, 12 transport air squadrons, 2 training air squadrons; helicopters - 3 anti-submarine helicopter squadrons, 3 light multi-purpose helicopter squadrons. Planes: 186. 14 F-14A, 36 F/A-18A/B, 4 EA-6B, 11 Е-2H, 70 P-3C, 20 C-130T, 15 C-9B, 10 DC-9, 6 C-20D/G. Helicopters: 58. 12 MH-53E, 16 HH-60H, 14 SH-2G, 6 SH-3H, 10 UH-3H.

Marines: 171 300 people (including 10 100 women), 4 marine divisions (1 in reserve), 4 logistic groups (1 in reserve), 3 reconnaissance groups, 2 detached battalions, 4 detached divisions. Arms: 403 battle tanks M1A1 Abrams , 735 infantry fighting vehicles LAV-25 of various modifications, 1 321 floating armored troop carriers AAV-7A1, 930 field artillery guns (331 105 mm M-USH, 599 155 mm M-198), 61 381 mm mortars (including 50 on infantry fighting vehicles LAV-25), 2 361 antitank missile systems (1 145 Toy, 112 Dragon, 951 AV-TOW).

Aircraft of marines: 36 310 people (including 2 030 women), 4 wings of marines (1 in reserve). Squadrons: planes - 18 fighter and assualt squadrons, 7 assault squadrons, 4 electronic warfare squadrons, 2 air defence squadrons, 4 training air squadrons; helicopters - 6 light multi-purpose helicopter squadrons, 15 transport and landing helicopter squadrons, 4 training air squadrons; patrol aviation - 2 (Pioneer). Air defence: 2 SAM battalions and 1 SAM battery Stinger and Avenger. Planes: 473. 211 F/A-18 of various modifications, 154 AV-8B, 14 TAV-8B, 21 EA-6B, 51 KC-130F/R/T, 2 C-9B, 2 CT-39G, 15 UC-12B/F, 3 T-34C; helicopters - 660: 138 AH-1W, 83 UH-1N. 7 HH-1H, 206 СН-46E, 9 UH/HH-46D, 133 СН-53E, 5 MH-53E. 47 CH-53D, 8 VH-60, 11 VH-3/VD, 13 MV-22A.

Aircraft of the reserve of marines: 9 000 people (including 500 women). Squadrons: planes - 4 fighter and assualt squadrons, 2 air defence squadrons, 1 training air squadron; helicopters - 2 light multi-purpose helicopter squadrons, 4 transport squadrons. Air defence: 1 SAM battalion of portable surface-to-air missile systems Stinger and Avenger. Planes - 94; 48 F/A-18A, 13 F-15F, 28 KC-130T, 1 C-20G, 1 CT-39G, 3 UC-12; helicopters: 98. 37 AH-1W, 20 UH-1N, 25 СН-46E, 16 СН-53E. Surface-to-air missile systems: 1 929 Stinger, 235 Avenger.

Coastguard: 36 260 people and 5 850 civilians; 2 defence zones (Atlantic and Pacific), 9 districts. Ships: 45 patrol ships (including 12 Hamilton, 13 Bear, 16 Relines, 2 Vindicator), 85 patrol vessels (49 Island, 30 Point, 6 Protector), 8 icebreaking towboats, 1 training vessel, 35 vessels of other classes. Aircraft: planes - 50; 20 HU-25, 26 HC-130H, 2 RU-38A, 1 VC-4A, 1 C-20B; helicopters - 115: 35 HH-60J, 80 HH-65A.

Russia
Staff: 1 700 000 people. Militarized elements: 200 000 in the internal tropps and 250 000 in frontier troops.

The military budget: 12 billion US dollars.

Recruitment: universal service. Hitch - 24 months.

Strategic forces. Staff: 125 000. Land-based strategic rocket forces: 188 SS-18, 170 SS-19, 46 SS-24 and 318 SS-25.

Sea-based strategic rocket forces: 684 rocket systems with 2500 warheads on 45 submarines, 6 submarines of the class Akula, 7 units of the Delfin class (Delta IV), 13 of the Kalmar class (Delta III), 4 of the Delta II class, 15 of the Murena class (Delta I).

Air-based strategic rocket forces: 1 074 warheads on 83 Tu-95MS, 240 on 24 Tu-95M/K, 192 on 20 Tu-160 Blackjack.

Naval forces. Staff: 420 000 (including 65 000 in naval aircraft, 15 000 marines, 7 000 in coast artillery), plus 500 000 in reserve. Navy: 4 basic fleets (Black, Baltic, Pacific and Northern).

Navy. Aircraft carriers: 1 Admiral Kuznetsov. Aircraft carriers with vertical take-off planes: 1 unit of the Admiral Gorshkov class. Nuclear rocket submarines: 6 submarines of the Akula class, 7 units of the Delfin class (Delta IV), 13 of the Kalmar class (Delta III), 4 of the Delta II class, 15 of the Murena class (Delta I). Atomic submarines: 11 units of the Oskar class, 5 of Charlie class, 5 units of the Charlie 2 class. Nuclear torpedo submarines: 12 units of the class Akula, 2 Sierra, 1 unit of the class Alpha, 8 of the class Victor I, 5 Victor II, 26 Victor III. Diesel submarines: 24 units of the Kilo class, 18 Tango, 25 Foxtrot, 4 Bravo, 2 India, 1 Lima, 1 Beluga.

Cruisers: 3 units of the Admiral Ushakov class, 3 of the Moscow class, 5 of the Nikolaev class. Destroyers: 2 units of the Admiral Basisty class, 11 of the Udaloy class, 20 of the Modern class.

Frigates: 2 units of the class Neustrashimy, 33 of the class Krivak. Patrol ships: 2 units of the Dergach class, 65 of the class Grisha, 10 of the class Mirka, 22 of the class Petya, 12 of the class Parshim, 40 of the class Tarantul, 36 of the class Nanushka, 1 of the Sivuch class.

Light elements: 1 hydrofoil ship of the class Sarancha, 30 patrol boats of the class Tura, 15 rocket boats of the class Matka, 1 hydrofoil ship of the class Babochka, 1 hydrofoil ship of the Mukha class. Minelayers: 3 units of the class Alesha, 3 of the class Andryusha, 45 of the Eugeniya class, 35 of the class Nastya, 45 of the class Yurka, 1 unit of the class T-58, 60 of the class Sonya, 3 of the class Zhenya, 7 of the class Pauk, 2 of the class Poti, 65 of the Vanya class, 10 of the class Sasha, 40 of the class K-8, 4 of the class Olya, 10 of the Ilusha class, 10 units of the class Pidanka. Storm-boats: 3 units of the class Ivan Rogov, 25 of the class Ropucha, 13 tank landing boats of the class Alligator, 36 of the class Polnochny, 10 tank landing boats of the Vydra class, 40 units of the class Ondatra, 15 of the class SMB. Air-cushion ships: 3 vessels of the class Pomornik, 33 of the class Gaz, 20 of the class Aist, 5 units of the Orlan class, 20 of the Lebed class, 2 of the Utenok class.

Support and supply ships: 7 units of the Ugra class, 1 of the Berezina class, 6 of the class Chilikin, 6 of the Don class, 8 of the class Susanin, 6 of the class Lama, 4 units of the class Amga.

Naval aircraft. Fighters: 20 Su-33, 90 Su-17, 35 MiG-29, 30 Su-27. Bombers: 140 Tu-22M Backfire, 100 Su-24 Fencer. Anti-submarine planes and helicopters: 55 Tu-142 Bear-F, 50 Be-12 Mail, 36 Il-38 May, 70 Mi-14 Haze, 85 Ka-25 Harmone-A and 90 Ka-27 Helix. Transport: about 100 planes of the following types: Il-14 Crate, Il-18 Coot, An-12 Cub, An-24 Coke, An-26 Curl and 8 Tu-16 Badger. Reconnaissance and electronic warfare planes: 24 Tu-95 Bear, 6 Tu-22M, 20 Su-24. Helicopters: about 100 Mi-8 and 50 Mi-6.

Marines: 100 tanks PT-76, 80 BRDM, 600 armoured troop carriers BTR-60, 50 flaks ZSU-23-4. Coast artillery and rocket forces: 7 000 units.

Land forces. Staff: 850 000 people. 8 military districts - the Moscow, Ural, Siberian, Transbaikalian, Volga, Leningrad, North Caucasian, Far East districts.

Arms. Tanks: 5 000 T-80, 9 000 T-72, 4 000 T-64 and many T-62 and T-55. infantry fighting vehicles and armored troop carrier: 2 400 BRDM, about 700 BMP-3, about 25 000 BTR-50, BTR-60, BTR-70, BTR-80, BTR-152, 2 000 armoured reconnaissance vehicles BMD, 4 000 MT-LB. Artillery: 40 000 122 mm, 130 mm, 152 mm; 122 mm and 152 mm self-propelled artillery mountings. Mortars: 14 000 82 mm, 120 mm, 160 mm, 240 mm. Recoilless guns: 73 mm SPG-9. Rocket systems: 7 500 122 mm, 140 mm, 220 mm and 240 mm, Smerch 300 mm, 40 mm RPG-7, 64 mm RPG-15, 73 mm RPG-16. Antitank systems: 8 000 57 mm, 76 mm, 85 mm, 100 mm, ASU-57/85, AT-2 Swatter, AT-3 Sagger, AT-4 Spandler, AT-6 Spiral, AT-7 Saxhorn, AT-8 Songster, AT-10, AT-11, Cornet. Surface-to-surface missile systems with rockets SS-21. Air defence: about 4 900 units.

Army-co-operation aircraft: 4 300 helicopters Mi-2, Mi-4, Mi-6, Mi-8, Mi-10, Mi-24, Mi-26.

Air force. Staff: 167 000. Structure: the long-range aircraft (strategic forces), the tactical aircraft, the army transport aircraft, the air defence aircraft, the training units, the naval aircraft.

Arms. Bombers: 28 Tu-160, 100 Tu-22M, 43 Tu-95, 87 Tu-95SM. Battleplanes: 500 Su-24. Fighters: 450 MiG-29, 150 Su-27, 250 MiG-27, 300 MiG-23, 130 Su-22, 30 MiG-31, 20 MiG-25, 250 Su-25. Reconnaissance and electronic warfare planes: 80 MiG-25P, 80 Su-24. Helicopters: 300 Mi-1, 600 Mi-2, 50 Mi-4, 300 Mi-6, 1 900 Mi-8, 50 Mi-26 and 60 Mi-28. Tankers: 10 M-4 (Bizion), 20 Tu-16 and 60 Mi-28. Transport aircraft: about 700 planes of the following types: 320 An-12, 24 An-124, 45 An-22, Il-12, 300 Il-76, 300 An-2, 100 An-24, 50 An-32, 30 An-72, 20 Tu-134/154, 150 L-410. Training aircraft: 2 000 Yak-18, L-29 and L-39, MiG-23U, MiG-25U, Su-7U, Su-11U, Tu-22U.

Air defence. Structure: the space observation forces, the rocket forces, the air defence rocket forces, 4 air defence armies, the combatant forces, technical units.

Arms. Interceptors: 180 MiG-25, 320 MiG-31, 250 MiG-23, 200 Su-27. Airborne early warning: 15 A-50 Mainstay, An-12 and Il-14/18. Anti-ballistic missile systems: 33 ABM-1 Galosh. Surface-to-air missile systems.

Stationary systems: 300 SA-2 (Gudeline), 200 SA-3 (GOA), 600 SA-5 GAMMON. Mobile systems: 2 000 SA-10/12. Air defence radars: 9 long-range radars, other 9 000 radars in 1 200 points.

SALUDOS

 

[Bushmaster]

oficiales para mi por ser una potencia 4 aviones en una semana es mucho, ni hablar si fueron mas.
Eso seria un punto en contra de rusia?

A mi no me parece mucho. Bastante peor lo pasaron en la primera guerra chechena, donde perdieron el 10% de sus vehículos acorazados durante los primeros días de la guerra.

SALUDOS

 

[Monchi]

Que pregunta dificil.
Pero creo que Bushmaster en 3 renglones fue bastante o muy acertado.
Depende de muchisimas cosas, por ejemplo de donde van a combatir, de las unidades que desplieguen a la zona de combate, de que aliados van a combatir junto con ellos, si se va a limitar la guerra al teatro o va a ser estrategica, si se usan armas nucleares o no, hay muchos muchos factores.
Saludos :cheers2:

 

[lisandro83]

A mi no me parece mucho. Bastante peor lo pasaron en la primera guerra chechena, donde perdieron el 10% de sus vehículos acorazados durante los primeros días de la guerra.

SALUDOS

No es mas o menos peor es solo otra rama del ejercito que puede hasta revelar la situacion del presente ruso.
Del presente de eeuu ya lo sabemos por lo que vemos desde el 91 hasta el presente. Creo que la 1º guerra del golfo revelo que lo puede dar eeuu en una guerra convencional de detener y derrotar a un ejercito.

 

[EMIARGENTO]

El lugar de operacion por el momento parece ser georgia, ahi gana rusia, de taquito.

 

[condor103]

No se quien ganaria, pero de suceder, seguro perderiamos todos.

 

[EMIARGENTO]

No se quien ganaria, pero de suceder, seguro perderiamos todos.

Depende desde donde lo mires.

 

[TurcoRufa]

Sin dudas que Ninguno. Porque digo esto, en caso de enfrentarse ambas potencias, el uso de misiles cruceros va a ser "un show" (noten las comillas), incurciones aéreas en territorio enemigo, hundimiento de embarcaciones, submarinos largando misiles por todos lados, en fin creo que ambas potencias tienen un potencial barbaro, pero entre ellas ese potencial se desgastaría y no habría un ganador, ni Moscú sería tomada por los yonis ni Washington por los ruskis.

Creo que SI, habría batallas en las que ganaría uno u otro bando, pero que a los pocos días el bando perdedor realizaría una contraofensiva atacando otro lugar o el mismo.

Otra cosa sería otra guerra fría con ambas potencias actuando por detras de la cortina...

Saludos.-

 

[TurcoRufa]

Depende desde donde lo mires.

Desde los precios del petróleo, precios de los alimentos, la cooperación con hombres, con material bélico que pedirán (vaya uno a saber quien :yonofui:) para hacer frente al "eje del mal" etc etc...

La confrontación política con algun país que no le haya gustado porque bando optamos (Mr. Hugo por dar un ejemplo).

Y así un sin fin de porques....

Saludos.-

 

[EMIARGENTO]

Desde ese punto de vista si, pero si uno juega su estrategia puede servir mucho, por ejemplo II guerra, la cantidad de ingenieros que vinieron a parar por aca...

 

[bultako]

RUSIA vs EUA

Dependiendo del teatro de operaciones los EUA estan en todo el mundo poseen tecnologia de primera tienen ojos debajo y arriba del suelo pueden estar en cualquier parte del mundo en horas o dias esos es punto a favor de los gringos, los rusos por su parte no creo que salgan a pelear afuera de su territorio me parece que preferirian que lo fueran apelear en su territorio esos les da una gran ventaja, y por otro lado los rusos no creo que esten tan desarmados los rusos en dos dias han demostrado lo que pueden hacer, han demostrado que no estan tan hasta las huevas como nos hacian creer los medios, la verdad con sus sistemas industriales reactivados no me extrañaria que ya tengan un arsenal superior al que suponemos que tienen, solo que no lo hacen publico, osea tienen ya unos ases bajo la manga, nada mas que no quieren comoter el error de la decada del 70 y 80, que a la primera cosa que salia ellos lo hacian publico, es mas ¿acaso creen que el SU-37 aun no está operativo o que el Pak Fa no está en proceso de construccion?, ahora bien en donde saco yo estos comentarios, pues sencilamente ellos -los rusos- siguen proveyendo de tecnologia militar de punta a los paises que les quieren y pueden comprarsela, y uno puede proveer a terceros siempre y cuendo no afecte el suministro interno, osea ellos tienen mas de lo que creemos.
piensenlo, meditenlo, fumence un cigarro (de esos que te elevan hasta los 10000 mt ) saquenle la raiz cuadrada y diganme que estoy equivocado.

un abrazo

 

[Perfectirijillo]

Tomando como escenario Georgia, y una supuesta intervención Yanqui, en la cual estos pretendieran empujar a las fuerzas rusas a su territorio, que es lo que sucedería?. Yo tengo la sensación que sería una carnicería, sobre todo si los gringos pretendieran ocupar suelo ruso, pero al fin y al cabo seria Rusia le vencedora. Ahora siendo muy imaginativos, y pensando en que los gringos quisieran llevar un conflicto focalizado a una guerra total, o por lo menos extenderla en otros puntos, cabe la pregunta si ambos bandos estarían dispuestos a usar Nukes?, o por lo menos Nukes tácticas?.

Saludos.

 

[condor103]

Depende desde donde lo mires.

Por donde quieras mirarlo. Imaginate las consecuencias a nivel mundial si se llegara a desatar una guerra entre estas dos potencias. Sabemos que no somos autosuficientes, entonces tarde o temprano vamos a tener consecuencias negativas, sea en alimentos, salud, tecnologias, monetarias, crediticias, etc, ... en fin, ni se me ocurre pensar en un conflicto armado, es mas, creo que tambien ellos dos pensarian mucho antes de generar una situacion belica a gran escala en cualquier territorio, no son tontos, saben que pueden tener tragicas consecuencias.-

 

[Iconoclasta]

es un bolazo esta hipotesis, con todo respeto

 

[bultako]

RUSIA vs EUA

TRES pregunta referido al tema en discucion:

1º Sacando de lado que las dos parte poseen suficiente poder nuclear para destruir el mundo varias veces el CONCEPTO DE MUTUA ANIQUILACION que estava presente durante la guerra fria se sigue manteniendo en el caso que se desate en la actualidad una guerra nuclear entre rusia y los estados unidos.

2º La OTAN, isrrael, korea del sur, del norte, iran y china, que papel jugarian en este posible enfrentamiento por que directa o indirectamente estarian involucrados.

3º America del sur se convertiria de nuevo en refugio de los posibles sobrevivientes ( militares y civiles ) de esta guerra, en especial argentina, chile, uruguay, brasil, o tendria que verse obligada a tomar parte en este conflicto.

 

[danram]

Rusia pierde en la Union Sovietica y Estados Unidos en VIETNAN, y en LATINOAMERICA UNIDA!!!