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bullrock
no entiendo, hace unos dias pusiste lo mismo :S
Futuro caza de la FAA ¿Usted a cuál elegiría?
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y las minas de diamantes, oro, plutonio, etc, etc.......el petroleo,etc, etc :rofl:te dan ganas de matar a alguien :banghead::banghead:
nop, la politica es solo un sucio sistema que en la argentina sirve para rovar, estafar y umillar a todos los argentinos
tampoco.......solo es un sueño
por el momento los Aviones Rusos son la mejor Opcion, ya que si nos ponemos a pensar, Rusia ya no es mas un pais Comunista, es mas todo lo contrario, tienen amplia experiencia, muy buena colaboracion tecnica, y quien cornos tendria las pelotas para embargar a Rusia?, aparte esta demostrado historicamente que Rusia se caga en la ONU, en la OTAN, en la Chotan. etc, etc..... (perdon por la zarpada)
Saludos
Saludos
comprar material ruso no significa separarse de usa o europa varios miembros de la otan usan material ruso , aparte nosotros no estamos a tados a nada ni a nadie y si hay que comprar el que ofrezca lo mejor para nosotros sera el ganador sea usa, francia o rusia yno descarto a china
Es que varia segun qeu incluya (logistica, armamento, repuestos, traferencia de tecnologia, entrenamiento) no es una ******* comprar un sda nuevo...
Igualmente te puedo adelantar por ejemplo que leei que el precio unitario de un MiG-29 OVT es de 32 millones.
Saludos.
Hay un Mig de colado en la foto! 
Yo como varios me tiro por los aviones rusos, si habría que arrancar desde cero en Arg. que se haga, pero nunca mas con USA y recuerden que Francia tambien se tiro para atras en el conflicto, bueno sin mas recuerden que USA no quizo vendernos los F16 y por eso nos dieron los A4, tenemos que comprar los que ellos quieren, no era mejor en vez de 36 A4, unos 15 Migs 29 ?, bueno realmente no se los precios de esa época... pero era una idea...
gabotdf
Miembro notable
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Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Pedido...
Algún piloto de MIII o A4-AR nos podría comentar el video...
Mirage 2000 VS F16: Dogfight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdPiRyYetI8&feature=related
Cuando aparece el triángulo sobre el blanco... ¿qué indica? (concreto, se refiere a misiles AAM o al cañón de a bordo???)
Otra consulta: ... pareciera que el circulito NUNCA puede quedar fijo sobre el F-16... ¿motivo?
En la misma línea...
Ejercicios RED FLAG F-16 -vs- RAFALE (fr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfqJYyPevvw&feature=related
"Subject: Rafale F2 vs F-16 Blk52 , 6-2 on the 1st day
Bluewings12 8/2/2008 6:54:12 PM
Recently , the USAF invited some Rafale F2s to do some advanced dogfighting against some F-16s Blk 52 .
It was a one v one confrontation repeated multiple times . The drill did last 3 days . The French and the Americans pilots had to find each other in a big portion of sky (100x100 km/square), then close in and go dogfighting .
The French Airforce only released the results of the first day :
6-2 in favor of the Rafale .
It has been on the French news on the main TV channel TF1 .
Video :
h*tp://videos.tf1.fr/video/news/0,,3931177,00-contre-rafale-vrai-faux-combat-.html
Quick translation of the video (the good bits):
French pilot : " we 're going to separate in the zone and then try to find each other , one Rafale and one F-16 , then go do WVR . We feel that the USAF is very curious about the Rafale and we think that they know what they are up against , so I think that we 're going to bluff them "
Second French Pilot talk :
" It went well , the F-16s were very cool to fight against and we managed to shootdown them from time to time , it was good "
Commentator :
"The Americans admit that they have been impressed by the French fighter "
The USAF pilot :
" The Rafale is an aircraft with unique capabilities which can be flown in a very aggressive manner , more than the F-16 . But you know , the most important is the capabilities of the pilot (!)"
*****************
I think that sums up a lot , BUT I remind you that the Rafale pilots are not allowed to use active jamming during drills with Allies (SPECTRA and OSF have only been used to find the opponent).
It also shows that the APG-68(v9) radar (with a quoted range of 300km )doesn 't give an adge to the Falcon against the PESA RBE2 and the "discret" RCS of the Rafale .
It also shows that MICA is a very good dogfighting missile and does its job and it also shows that Rafale is more manoeuvrable than the F-16 Blk52 (which is the best dogfighther that the USAF has) .
I dare to say that if SPECTRA was used to its full extent (active jamming), the result would have been 6-0 .
Cheers .
Fuente: http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-52874/page6.aspx
Guauuuu! Me está empezando a gustar el RAFALE !!! :rofl: :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pQj1ahmh6E&feature=related
Algún piloto de MIII o A4-AR nos podría comentar el video...
Mirage 2000 VS F16: Dogfight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdPiRyYetI8&feature=related
Cuando aparece el triángulo sobre el blanco... ¿qué indica? (concreto, se refiere a misiles AAM o al cañón de a bordo???)
Otra consulta: ... pareciera que el circulito NUNCA puede quedar fijo sobre el F-16... ¿motivo?
En la misma línea...
Ejercicios RED FLAG F-16 -vs- RAFALE (fr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfqJYyPevvw&feature=related
"Subject: Rafale F2 vs F-16 Blk52 , 6-2 on the 1st day
Bluewings12 8/2/2008 6:54:12 PM
Recently , the USAF invited some Rafale F2s to do some advanced dogfighting against some F-16s Blk 52 .
It was a one v one confrontation repeated multiple times . The drill did last 3 days . The French and the Americans pilots had to find each other in a big portion of sky (100x100 km/square), then close in and go dogfighting .
The French Airforce only released the results of the first day :
6-2 in favor of the Rafale .
It has been on the French news on the main TV channel TF1 .
Video :
h*tp://videos.tf1.fr/video/news/0,,3931177,00-contre-rafale-vrai-faux-combat-.html
Quick translation of the video (the good bits):
French pilot : " we 're going to separate in the zone and then try to find each other , one Rafale and one F-16 , then go do WVR . We feel that the USAF is very curious about the Rafale and we think that they know what they are up against , so I think that we 're going to bluff them "
Second French Pilot talk :
" It went well , the F-16s were very cool to fight against and we managed to shootdown them from time to time , it was good "
Commentator :
"The Americans admit that they have been impressed by the French fighter "
The USAF pilot :
" The Rafale is an aircraft with unique capabilities which can be flown in a very aggressive manner , more than the F-16 . But you know , the most important is the capabilities of the pilot (!)"
*****************
I think that sums up a lot , BUT I remind you that the Rafale pilots are not allowed to use active jamming during drills with Allies (SPECTRA and OSF have only been used to find the opponent).
It also shows that the APG-68(v9) radar (with a quoted range of 300km )doesn 't give an adge to the Falcon against the PESA RBE2 and the "discret" RCS of the Rafale .
It also shows that MICA is a very good dogfighting missile and does its job and it also shows that Rafale is more manoeuvrable than the F-16 Blk52 (which is the best dogfighther that the USAF has) .
I dare to say that if SPECTRA was used to its full extent (active jamming), the result would have been 6-0 .
Cheers .
Fuente: http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-52874/page6.aspx
Guauuuu! Me está empezando a gustar el RAFALE !!! :rofl: :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pQj1ahmh6E&feature=related
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